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    TX - Lifestyle-as-guilt: the child abuse convictions of the San Antonio 4

    Lengthy, detailed article in the San Antonio Express-News last Sunday looked back on a '90s case involving four women with lesbian lifestyles, in which justice may not have been served and in which Satanic ritual abuse factors, trendy at the time, were considered; the four women received sentences totaling 82.5 years in prison based on the testimony of two children, in spite of what might be seen as mitigating factors - sentences which all are still serving:

    Did these women molest two girls?

    Convicted of assault but maintaining their innocence

    Thoughts? Are the women monsters, or have they been unjustly convicted?

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    I think these women are almost certainly innocent. I realize testimony can be difficult for children, but when a child accuser can't keep straight the most basic details of the offense, I don't see how a jury can find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    And I'll add that as a gay man, these sorts of charges have haunted me and most gay people for at least 60 or 70 years. And no wonder, in a country where someone like Anita Bryant goes around saying, "Obviously homosexuals recruit our children--because homosexuals can't have children themselves!" In a country where Bryant's premise and logic are (or at least were 30 years ago) considered reasonable!

    Personally, I am extremely grateful that my husband's ex-wife and our other relatives are both honest and stable.

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    I know I've said this elsewhere, but I'll say it again here. The more I read about bad verdicts in this country, the less sure I am that I will ever be able to find any defendant guilty of anything again. (And I've been a juror several times, including on one murder case where we found the defendant guilty.)

    On the other hand, of course, SOMEBODY has to serve and speak out against false conclusions such as the one drawn in this case.

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    I have not read the charges. However I want to state that Satanic Ritual abuse does go on despite what others may think.
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    And as far as the girls not remembering all the details. It was three years before this went to trial. What child is gonna remember abuse that they don't want to remember for that long of a time period? Especially if they want to block it out of their lives?

    Not saying that they are innocent, but trying to shed light on why a child may not remember specific details.
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    This would be one for "The innocence Project". Sounds like this guy (the father) has had several custody disputes which result in/from sexual assault accusations. This case should be investgated again. Now the adopted oldest brother is in jail for molesting a child the father was trying to get custody of? And his own bio Son said the father has tried coaching him into lying? Holy cow..Given the whole story..I think these women are innocent and I truely hope they get out soon! IMOO

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    The younger of the two girls has now recanted and says nothing happened. That, matched with the father's track record of creating false allegations, should be enough to overturn the convictions if we lived in a fair world. It won't be though - once the courts have convicted someone they are extremely reluctant to admit to any mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Dolphin308 View Post
    I have not read the charges. However I want to state that Satanic Ritual abuse does go on despite what others may think.
    Prove it.

    The FBI can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyswife View Post
    This would be one for "The innocence Project". Sounds like this guy (the father) has had several custody disputes which result in/from sexual assault accusations. This case should be investgated again. Now the adopted oldest brother is in jail for molesting a child the father was trying to get custody of? And his own bio Son said the father has tried coaching him into lying? Holy cow..Given the whole story..I think these women are innocent and I truely hope they get out soon! IMOO
    The Innocence Project is involved. The one woman who was released met with her lawyer from IP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Dolphin308 View Post
    And as far as the girls not remembering all the details. It was three years before this went to trial. What child is gonna remember abuse that they don't want to remember for that long of a time period? Especially if they want to block it out of their lives?

    Not saying that they are innocent, but trying to shed light on why a child may not remember specific details.
    Even if that's true (and there are countless posts here where posters claim one never forgets the horror of molestation), how do we convict defendants based on evidence nobody remembers? The supposed physical signs of abuse have already been disproven in this case; if there is other circumstantial evidence, the link doesn't say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Prove it.

    The FBI can't.
    Nor can anybody investigating SRA claims in the UK....

    http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk/eyefelsteadmyers.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Prove it.

    The FBI can't.
    Umm I am a VICTIM of it and I know many other victims of it! That is all that needs to be said!

    If you want further reading. Look into the "Illuminati" thread I believe is now in the parking lot. Linked here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Even if that's true (and there are countless posts here where posters claim one never forgets the horror of molestation), how do we convict defendants based on evidence nobody remembers? The supposed physical signs of abuse have already been disproven in this case; if there is other circumstantial evidence, the link doesn't say.

    People especially kids can dissociate during a crime. They don't want to be in the situation they can go to 'another' place in their minds, and totally black it out. Not saying that this is what these kids did, but a lot of people black out rapes, or totally lose parts of their childhood due to blocking it out from their memories completly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Dolphin308 View Post
    Umm I am a VICTIM of it and I know many other victims of it! That is all that needs to be said!

    If you want further reading. Look into the "Illuminati" thread I believe is now in the parking lot. Linked here
    I read the Illuminati thread, and here is my verdict....

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