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  1. #16
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    I can't understand how someone can definitely say these women are innocent based on 2 articles posted.

    I'm amazed.
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    I've posted four MSM articles which make the case for their innocence, three from their hometown paper, an entity in position to know the case thoroughly from its first day, and another from Forbes.
    Marx: "Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen."

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    I think we can definitely say that they are entitled to a retrial if the contents of these articles are true.

    Don't you?

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    Marx: "Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cappuccino View Post
    I think we can definitely say that they are entitled to a retrial if the contents of these articles are true.

    Don't you?
    Yes. That I agree with. I can't base my opinion on those articles alone and this is no disrespect towards wfgodot. I actually appreciate wfgodot posting about this case.

    Now I'll shut up and go do my homework. I'll read up on the case and post my opinion.
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    Another website about the case, including links: http://fourliveslost.com/
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    Kids' removal called payback for recanting (San Antonio Express-News)
    A woman who recently publicly recanted a sexual assault allegation she made as a child against four women, including her aunt, is now the subject of a Child Protective Services investigation that her attorney said is a result of retaliation linked to the recantation.

    The woman's children were placed in temporary foster care last week while CPS investigates, a removal the woman said is unjustified.
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    more at link above
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    wfgodot: Hoping you can help me out.

    I'm trying to locate the actual case archives and/or trial transcripts. Are they available anywhere? I searched TruTV and CourtTV but was unsuccessful. Any help would be appreciated by you or anyone else. Thanks.
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    wfgodot: Hoping you can help me out.

    I'm trying to locate the actual case archives and/or trial transcripts. Are they available anywhere? I searched TruTV and CourtTV but was unsuccessful. Any help would be appreciated by you or anyone else. Thanks.
    I'd doubt it. The case was so many years ago, almost pre-internet. You might try emailing Michelle Mondo, the S.A. Ex-News reporter who's covering it, or maybe the guy who keeps the fourliveslost site I linked above. (Two of the first-person case narratives there are worth reading.)

    I remember hearing about this case when it happened; it was pretty big news. Then when I moved to S.A. I knew people who knew people who knew one of the women, so I learned much more about it then.
    Marx: "Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    I'd doubt it. The case was so many years ago, almost pre-internet. You might try emailing Michelle Mondo, the S.A. Ex-News reporter who's covering it, or maybe the guy who keeps the fourliveslost site I linked above. (Two of the first-person case narratives there are worth reading.)

    I remember hearing about this case when it happened; it was pretty big news. Then when I moved to S.A. I knew people who knew people who knew one of the women, so I learned much more about it then.
    Thanks. Four Lost Lives Blog appears to be one sided and obviously in defense of the 4 accused of the crime.

    MySA article dated Dec 10.2010 refers to medical exams done on the girls but again, actual testimony and transcripts would be helpful.

    I'll keep searching. If I can't find anything, I'll forget about it and move on. I can't say based on what has been posted in these articles and blogs that these women are innocent.

    Interesting case.
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀


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    In terms of conviction, this should have been enough:
    On and off the witness stand, the girls changed their accounts of the timing, weapons, perpetrators and other basic details of the assault every time they told it to authorities, records show.
    - though it would have helped matters if the defense had called witnesses to rebut the pediatrician's testimony, because
    (...) research available when she examined the girls classified the three signs of sexual trauma she found as either normal, inconclusive or impossible to identify as a scar
    Instead, defendants have spent a yet-untold number of years in prison via an unfair conviction.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...873.php#page-1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Dolphin308 View Post
    Umm I am a VICTIM of it and I know many other victims of it! That is all that needs to be said!

    If you want further reading. Look into the "Illuminati" thread I believe is now in the parking lot. Linked here
    I read your thread and obviously the mods prefer we discuss the subject in The Parking Lot.

    So I'll just add the old saw that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

    I am sorry for whatever pain you have suffered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    I can't understand how someone can definitely say these women are innocent based on 2 articles posted.

    I'm amazed.
    That's not the question.

    The question is how could a jury convict defendants based on inconsistent witness statements?

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    Freedom comes to three of the 'San Antonio 4'. (San Antonio Express-News)
    SAN ANTONIO — After spending more than a decade in prison for a crime they say never happened, three of four women fighting for exoneration will walk out of jail later Monday, perhaps never to return.

    Cheers erupted in the packed courtroom when the attorney for Elizabeth Ramirez, 39, Cassandra Rivera, 38, and Kristie Mayhugh, 40, announced about 11 a.m. that a judge had been released them on bond.

    “For all those who are here to support the 'San Antonio Four' we appreciate you coming,” said attorney Mike Ware said. “The paperwork has been signed and the women will be released on signature bond,” meaning they don't need to pay any money.

    The fourth woman, Anna Vasquez, 38, has been out on parole for more than a year.
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    In 2013, a Bexar County District Court allowed three of the women to be released from prison while the court considered their request. Vasquez had just been released on parole. Reed told CNN at that time she was not going to retry the cases if the verdicts were overturned.
    The motion worked its way through the Texas courts for more than two years and, in February 2016, the judge recommended the convictions be vacated. The trial court finding is a recommendation, and it is up to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals to make the final ruling...

    In the past 2½ years, the women have been working and assimilating back into the community. They have used skills learned behind bars to help them find employment.
    There is one last thing they are asking for from the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals: They want to be declared innocent as a matter of law. That decision may come before the end of the year.
    "I believe we deserve to be known as innocent. There is a terrible injustice. We are not going give up until we are found we are innocent. We will keep fighting," Rivera said.
    The women's story is told in the documentary "Southwest of Salem: The Story of the San Antonio Four." It premiers Friday at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/us/san-antonio-four/

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