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    NM - Luna Co., WhtMale UP8323, 30-50, chained to telephone pole, May'99

    DoeNetwork Case 1588UMNM http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1588umnm.html

    NamUs UP Case 8323 https://identifyus.org/cases/8323



    Unidentified White Male

    Found May 27, 1999, 1/4 mile west of Hwy 180 in Rural Luna County, NM

    Vital Statistics
    * Estimated age: 30 to 50 years old
    * Approximate Height: 5'8" (68 inches)
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Light brown hair - brown w/grey facial hair - green surgical sutures noted internally in bilateral knees, healed externally
    * Dentals: Available but not yet entered
    * Clothing/Jewelry: tan denim jeans 'penny mac', white undershirt, white socks, greent-shirt, size large, blue denim pants, size 29x30, 'his' brand, 'nike' athletic shoes, size 11 1/2
    * DNA: Available, in CODIS

    Case History
    Electric company personnel were patrolling lines, when they came across the decedent chained to a telephone pole, that had been burned half way up the pole. There was a lighter found near the body. The chain was around the decedent's neck, with a padlock locking it in place. Possible identification, after speaking to local areas, where he could have visited, came up with a possible name of Rodney Jones.
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    Jackie Wayne Urich looks like a good match.



    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ch_jackie.html

    I don't see anything that would connect him from Eastern Oklahoma to Southwestern New Mexico. And his name is not Rodney Jones. There is also no mention of prior arm bone breaks or a prior nose break. But most everything else looks good.

    * His age (40) is right at midrange of the UID's estimate (30-50)
    * His height (5'6" to 5'10") is consistent to the UID's 5'8" estimate.
    * His beard is greying brown
    * His DLC (09-Jul-98) is reasonably close to the approximate date of death (i.e., approximately 6 months prior to the 27-May-99 date of discovery).
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    the oddest thing about the UID was that he had no fingers so I can only surmise his hands were cut off, presumably to prevent identification.

    possible criminal history w/fingerprints on file?

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    Webrocket, there's nothing listed under "amputations" in the NamUs report to suggest his hands were missing, so the lack of fingerprints may be due to the condition of the body after the fire and the passing of six months.

    Two weeks after Urich disappeared, a farmer helped a man (not Urich) and two women after their pickup hit a tree, not knowing the truck they'd wrecked was Urich's missing truck:

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic..._A1_spanc62151

    The two scenarios could potentially match up. I doubt anyone would have known the exact mileage on the truck before it and Urich went missing so the odometer reading probably wasn't much help in determining where the truck had been. In two weeks' time, the group could have traveled to NM, interacted with a few locals who would later remember Urich as "Rodney Jones" and then returned home without him.
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    I really think this might be the guy! Great job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatertot View Post
    Webrocket, there's nothing listed under "amputations" in the NamUs report to suggest his hands were missing, so the lack of fingerprints may be due to the condition of the body after the fire and the passing of six months.
    not sure this page will come through but under this UID's "Demographics" it states "one or both hands not recovered" and under the section "Fingerprints" it states "no tissue/fingers located":

    https://identifyus.org/cases/8323

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    My bad! You're absolutely right, webrocket. I'm used to seeing any missing parts noted under "amputations."

    If this is a match, I suspect the murder took place at the telephone pole since the MP's truck showed no signs of violence when LE analyzed it.
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    I suppose this question applies to all the UIDs especially the males (sorry to get biased) but if my hunch is correct that this UID had a criminal history (hence the removal of the hands to prevent fingerprint identification), are we not potentially talking about a UID who was a fugitive?

    I do not know this answer, but are fugitives listed under the same missing persons databases we scour or are they just found in the various local jurisdictions (unless they are infamous fugitives)?

    the manner of this guy's death shows an extreme personal hatred and violence that someone would remove hands, chain him to a tree and then set the guy on fire. an ordinary chance killing would not involve all those unnecessary steps leading to death and destruction of the remains.

    I tend to think that the killer was a criminal cohort past or then present, of the deceased's.

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    Did anyone ever submit the possible match? I only ask because I was lookig at this guy n namus tonight and there are no rule outs listed.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    NamUs still doesn't list any rule outs. I wonder if Ronald Hackmaster from Sun City, AZ and Johnny Doyle from Los Angeles, CA have been looked at?

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    Ronald Hackmaster
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/24113/34

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    Johnny Doyle
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4463/32

    Re: Webrocket's question, I don't think that wanted persons are usually listed in the same databases as missing persons (although I have come across two or three wanted persons in NamUs); A lot of states and other jurisdictions have their own websites for wanted persons (I really wish that I could locate one for California, but so far I haven't been able to). It would be nice [IMO] if wanted people were included with missing persons because it seems their lifestyle may cause them to end up deceased in an unfamiliar jurisdiction without ID.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambercat View Post
    NamUs still doesn't list any rule outs. I wonder if Ronald Hackmaster from Sun City, AZ and Johnny Doyle from Los Angeles, CA have been looked at?

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    Ronald Hackmaster
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/24113/34

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    Johnny Doyle
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4463/32

    Re: Webrocket's question, I don't think that wanted persons are usually listed in the same databases as missing persons (although I have come across two or three wanted persons in NamUs); A lot of states and other jurisdictions have their own websites for wanted persons (I really wish that I could locate one for California, but so far I haven't been able to). It would be nice [IMO] if wanted people were included with missing persons because it seems their lifestyle may cause them to end up deceased in an unfamiliar jurisdiction without ID.
    I found a few, a bit disorganized..
    https://northerncaliforniamostwanted...ookieSupport=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambercat View Post
    NamUs still doesn't list any rule outs. I wonder if Ronald Hackmaster from Sun City, AZ and Johnny Doyle from Los Angeles, CA have been looked at?

    r_hackmaster.jpeg
    Ronald Hackmaster
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/24113/34

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    Johnny Doyle
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4463/32

    Re: Webrocket's question, I don't think that wanted persons are usually listed in the same databases as missing persons (although I have come across two or three wanted persons in NamUs); A lot of states and other jurisdictions have their own websites for wanted persons (I really wish that I could locate one for California, but so far I haven't been able to). It would be nice [IMO] if wanted people were included with missing persons because it seems their lifestyle may cause them to end up deceased in an unfamiliar jurisdiction without ID.
    I found a few, a bit disorganized..
    https://northerncaliforniamostwanted...ookieSupport=1

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    This has got to be the strangest case on Websleuths.

    Chained to a pole that was set on fire? Was he set on fire? If he were set on fire then would he still have hair? Was his hands cut off? He was in New Mexico so the dry heat might explain the mummification..

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    I tend to think that the killer was a criminal cohort past or then present, of the deceased's.
    I think it is more likely that the killer knew the guy had a criminal history, but wasn't necessarily a fugitive. And that is just IF the killer removed the hand(s) to thwart identification. We don't really know that is the case.

    This could also be some type of lynching for a crime he committed and got away with or got light punishment. If that were the case, the killer would know that, were the man killed, then the police would have a good idea of who killed him. Such as the family of someone he raped or stole from.

    If he were chained to the pole for 6-mos, animals could have helped remove them.
    He was also badly burned. If his hands were badly burned, I figured that they might decompose "differently" (i.e. not mummify) than the rest of his remains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambercat View Post
    A lot of states and other jurisdictions have their own websites for wanted persons (I really wish that I could locate one for California, but so far I haven't been able to). It would be nice [IMO] if wanted people were included with missing persons because it seems their lifestyle may cause them to end up deceased in an unfamiliar jurisdiction without ID.
    I think it's more of a county by county thing here, rather than a statewide. I know Merced and Sacramento have their own (my childhood best friend's younger sister was on Merced's for a while.) Have you tried the CHP? The State Police were merged with them a while back.

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