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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    I do recall hearing about his ramblings but I don't recall from whom. It seems as though DLS is extremely mentally ill - which leads me to think he'd be incapable of planning and carrying out such a vicious crime.

    I'm more inclined to think the DLS would be only capable of loitering, having a concealed weapon (as was the case), perhaps bothering others, etc. It doesn't make sense that a person who is this unwell could pull off a crime like the crime against AG and then hide out silently until LE picked him up whilst searching the barn.
    just a small correction ... LE picked him up on December 29th, one day BEFORE Audrey's body was discovered. The barn search took place AFTER Audrey was found murdered, and LE received tips that led them to the barn. So DLS was already in jail.

    In one of the early videos there is a lady saying neighbours spotted a man with a backpack walking down Audrey's driveway. (Will go see if I can find that video clip).
    There is no mention of that man covered in blood or any blood trail.
    If DLS committed the murder, is he supposed to have walked or biked to Audrey's home? Where could he have taken a shower after the fact? Wouldn't his shoes/boots/sneakers have been covered in blood? no footprints/bootprints?
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    Found the VIDEO clip I mentioned in above post .... watch around the 01:29 mark
    Reporter: "police and neighbours say there has been suspicious activity in the area"

    Lady: "I was talking to the one neighbour, and she said they did see somebody on foot, and that is unusual out here, with a knapsack on his back, going down her driveway"
    http://www.chchnews.ca/index.php/hom...-gleave-killer
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    Thanks Hazel! from your link, a very bitter comment from one who is friend/family member of DS.
    http://www.chchnews.ca/index.php/hom...er#comment1482

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazel View Post
    just a small correction ... LE picked him up on December 29th, one day BEFORE Audrey's body was discovered. The barn search took place AFTER Audrey was found murdered, and LE received tips that led them to the barn. So DLS was already in jail.

    In one of the early videos there is a lady saying neighbours spotted a man with a backpack walking down Audrey's driveway. (Will go see if I can find that video clip).
    There is no mention of that man covered in blood or any blood trail.
    If DLS committed the murder, is he supposed to have walked or biked to Audrey's home? Where could he have taken a shower after the fact? Wouldn't his shoes/boots/sneakers have been covered in blood? no footprints/bootprints?
    Thanks for the correction. Now a question as my mind is busy/overloaded with other things this week: Please remind me why LE picked DLS up if it wasn't for the crime against AG.

    Oh wait - it was for 'possession of a concealed weapon' wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    Yep, right on. I'm thinking DLS is a fall-guy for LE. This is upsetting. We need LE to be more forthcoming, to tell us if these Southern Ontario attacks/murders are linked and to give us more info.

    The public will be glad to help LE, but right now I'm not even certain the public knows what we're supposed to be looking for.

    IF DLS somehow made it up to the Orangeville area - we need to know that.

    We also should be told IF LE has DNA evidence on DLS.
    LE doesn't have any obligation to share with the public what their evidence consists of, but based on just some of the questions we've been able to come with related to DLS in Audrey's case, I believe they do owe the public a more concise statement to address those questions to some degree in order to alleviate concerns that are expressed.

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    2nd response to my email

    Quote Originally Posted by LilyMacBloom View Post
    -sgamble responded to my email saying "good point, I'll ask them" (meaning the police)

    so I guess we might find a photo in the Expositor, or, I'll bet she writes an article on why no photo.

    You guys and gals are so smart!
    direct quote I rec'd further to above:



    "I talked to the police about this and, apparently, now that Dave is in custody, they can't provide a picture. The police only provide one if it can help them find a suspect.


    Thanks for your interest!


    Susan"

    Am I the only one that thinks this is a bunch of B****??????
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    my hinkey meter is on double duty overtime and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. 2 + 2 = 5
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    Quote Originally Posted by dotr View Post
    Thanks Hazel! from your link, a very bitter comment from one who is friend/family member of DS.
    http://www.chchnews.ca/index.php/hom...er#comment1482
    wow dotr! did that come up from my link? When I click on my link I still see the old-news from Jan. 1st. Perhaps I should clean up cookies and cache.
    In any case, thanks for pointing out at that new video and I am wondering how long till that comment will go poof! so confused at the moment, don't know who to believe.

    I guess I'll just for now
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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    Thanks for the correction. Now a question as my mind is busy/overloaded with other things this week: Please remind me why LE picked DLS up if it wasn't for the crime against AG.

    Oh wait - it was for 'possession of a concealed weapon' wasn't it?
    Yep, that's right, and IIRC, it was said to be a steak knife...
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    another email to the expositor

    I emailed the expositor again and asked why there wasn't a "sketch" of the accused at his court appearance. I can understand their (police) lack of a photo and accept their explanation. I guess at this point it's a lack of reporting.
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    Could the neighbor who saw the man with the knapsack be referring to PK, the handiman? I don't think it's ever been revealed how he arrived at Ms. Gleave's to drop off the cake, when he found her body. Did he drive or walk or get dropped off? Being that the neighbors don't seem to be especially close socially, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that one didn't recognize PK. Being that that statement kind of "fell off the table", I assumed that they'd identified the person and ruled them out.

    Back to a comment by sillybilly for a moment. You mentioned a cordless electric knife or something that looked like one. I guess that got by me. Was it in one of the videos and not actually mentioned in print? That would explain why I didn't know. I can't imagine DLS carrying something like that around and it would sure seem odd to have one stored in plain sight in a garage, IMO.

    Concerning the "bitter" post by a person close to DLS. I've seen a few.

    There's a recent case in Oregon where a young man quite suddenly developed schizophrenia and tragically killed the town's police chief--a man he'd known all his life. The young man (we have a thread), Daniel Butts, felt cornered and grabbed for the officer's gun and shot him. I don't believe that someone experiencing a schizophrenic lapse/episode would do much planning. There was also the man, Harold Montague, in Las Vegas, who came charging out of his house and beheaded an infant in a stroller after stabbing his sister in the house. Also, very spontaneous...not planned.

    I am in no way putting any blame on Ms. Gleave but I think for DLS to be the murderer, there would have had to have been some sort of a power struggle about something. As another poster stated, maybe she was firm with him and ordered him to leave. But I'm still not there. Something just does not fit.

    FWIW, I don't think we need to stick with initials now that Scott has been charged...only with the officially uninvolved.

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    Has post #19 been looked at here?

    http://www.theexpositor.com/ArticleD...aspx?e=2913418

    All of these things might certainly be true. But added up, they do not make a murderer of this caliber.

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    yet another email from the Expositor

    Hi ,
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    > When Dave was in Brantford court it was for a lowly weapons charge.
    >
    > Now that he's charged with murder, he's in Hamilton court and we're
    > unlikely to go and cover any of his appearances until -- and if -- we get
    > to the trial stage.
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    > Plus, it's a lot harder than people know to get photos of someone going to
    > court ... they are brought in to a "sallyport" in a panelled van and
    > brought to court behind secured doors. Cameras are NEVER allowed in the
    > court house.
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    > So, if the Spec gets a photo I'd be surprised, even though it's on their
    > turf! Once it comes time for court, sometimes newspapers spring for a
    > court artist.
    >
    > Susan
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    > >
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    Back to a comment by sillybilly for a moment. You mentioned a cordless electric knife or something that looked like one. I guess that got by me. Was it in one of the videos and not actually mentioned in print? That would explain why I didn't know. I can't imagine DLS carrying something like that around and it would sure seem odd to have one stored in plain sight in a garage, IMO.
    Hazel originally posted the link. It was working yesterday, but won't work for me now

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5963349&postcount=35"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario[/ame]


    Will try to find it elsewhere for you Missizzy.

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    Amazing how the proverbial "perp walk" is a revered part of US LEO history. I've read that there's a good bit of unwritten protocol concerning it. Of course, the arresting officer gets to be front and center as he/she deserves to be. This is the way that LE reaffirms to the public that they are doing their job and keeping the public safe. I have to admit ignorance concerning Canadian law. However, it seems very strange to me that there wouldn't be a bit of pride over "getting their man" in such a tremendously high profile case.

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    Shucks, if we can get a mug shot of the Premier of BC plastered all over the nation, why not Dave Scott?

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    Scott is 50 and Ms. Gleave was 73. When did she start teaching? Any possibility that she crossed paths with Scott at the high school? If he had special needs, he might have been around the school a bit longer than other students. In the US that would be through age 21.

    Also, Ms. Gleave was known to go to coffee with her friends. Any chance that Scott did pick-up work at restaurants around town and knew her from there? The golf course, the vet's? Do we know where the vet's home is in relation to where Scott was living? Ms. Gleave had just stopped by there to pick up meds for the dogs.

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    Audrey probably ran into him as he was snooping around the area. Anyone that will just go and live in someone's barn would certainly look at the other places in the area, going through garbage ect. Just because they haven't told us the evidence, doesn't mean they don't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    Back to a comment by sillybilly for a moment. You mentioned a cordless electric knife or something that looked like one. I guess that got by me. Was it in one of the videos and not actually mentioned in print? That would explain why I didn't know. I can't imagine DLS carrying something like that around and it would sure seem odd to have one stored in plain sight in a garage, IMO.
    RSBM for brevity

    Missizzy, it was indeed mentioned in one of the videos. I tend to agree with the reporter that it looks more like a "miniature saw" than a cordless electric knife (but I could be wrong )

    I did make two posts regarding it. In my second post you can see 'screenshots' of that particular item. Give me a second and will try find those two posts. (Pretty sure sillibilly is referring to those posts/video, right sillybilly?)

    - Post 1 (Jan. 3, 2011) = [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5963349#post5963349"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5963349#post5963349[/ame]


    - Post 2 (Jan. 18, 2011 - last TWO pics) [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6027606#post6027606"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6027606#post6027606[/ame]


    ETA: hmmm, interesting...is it just me or has the video clip been edited? shows the view of the area behind the yellow crime scene tape, but not the scene where LE is collecting the "m.s."...the link to the article does not work anymore.
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    No, Hazel, I can see them. Once again it was really helpful for you to post those--and probably wise as they'll disappear. I'm not so sure about the "saw". If no one here had mentioned a saw I think I would have seen a bag. Now that it's suggested, I see a possible saw but the color seems off. To me, it looks like some sort of evidence collection bag and they are preparing to place that strip of cloth (or whatever) into it. But being that it's mentioned by a reporter on the scene.....maybe.

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    There's a company called Tomboy Tools which markets tools specifically for women's typically smaller hands. I happen to know about them as they sent a truckload of tools to Biloxi, MS when my husband and kids spent 3 months down there helping out after Katrina. When he came home, he gave me a set of Tomboy tools. He is quite to tool "snob" but was very impressed with their quality. The ones I got were turquoise with grey trim. I just looked at their site and see that they still carry some turquoise tools but most are pink to raise money and awareness for breast cancer (and why can't men's tools be pink to do the same???). Anyway, I don't see a flat saw blade but I do see a hacksaw in that turquoise color which is very similar to Hazel's photo. I believe the company was relatively new around the time of Katrina, 2005, and maybe Ms. Gleave purchased some tools at that time. They are also sold in Canada:

    http://www.tomboytools.com/

    The company seems to be using a "party" marketing scheme now but I believe that the tools were available at hardware stores a few years back. I see a tile setting kit on ebay which is the turquoise color. Let me keep checking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazel View Post
    ETA: hmmm, interesting...is it just me or has the video clip been edited? shows the view of the area behind the yellow crime scene tape, but not the scene where LE is collecting the "m.s."...the link to the article does not work anymore.
    That's what I meant Hazel ... worked just before I made my post about it, and now it's gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    There's a company called Tomboy Tools which markets tools specifically for women's typically smaller hands. I happen to know about them as they sent a truckload of tools to Biloxi, MS when my husband and kids spent 3 months down there helping out after Katrina. When he came home, he gave me a set of Tomboy tools. He is quite to tool "snob" but was very impressed with their quality. The ones I got were turquoise with grey trim. I just looked at their site and see that they still carry some turquoise tools but most are pink to raise money and awareness for breast cancer (and why can't men's tools be pink to do the same???). Anyway, I don't see a flat saw blade but I do see a hacksaw in that turquoise color which is very similar to Hazel's photo. I believe the company was relatively new around the time of Katrina, 2005, and maybe Ms. Gleave purchased some tools at that time. They are also sold in Canada:

    http://www.tomboytools.com/

    The company seems to be using a "party" marketing scheme now but I believe that the tools were available at hardware stores a few years back. I see a tile setting kit on ebay which is the turquoise color. Let me keep checking.
    The turquoise you are seeing is the officer's latex evidence gloves. It is much more clear in the video when you can click through it frame by frame.

    ETA: This is the basic shape of what i believe i was seeing:

    http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...iw=801&bih=445
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    didn't see this comment link posted:

    http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/com....aspx?c=117268

    apparently he has schizophrenia ...

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    John Burman and Teri Pecoskie 6 minutes ago ‘Downtown fixture’ found in pool of blood
    Gary Yokoyama/The...SUSPICIOUS DEATHPolice are investigating the discovery of a body at the back door of a Cathcart Street home early Wednesday.
    The woman found dead in the back yard a Cathcart Street home Wednesday morning has been identified and remembered as a well known panhandler and “…a downtown fixture.”

    The body of 37-year-old Laura Ann Young was discovered just after 9 a.m. in a snowbank behind 116 Cathcart St., said Detective Sergeant Ian Matthews, who identified the woman Wednesday night.
    read more.
    http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...-pool-of-blood

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