Unidentified White Male
* The victim was discovered on September 21, 1989 in Lewiston, Idaho
* Estimated Date of Death: less than 10 years prior
* Skeletal Remains
* Estimated age: 24-26 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: 5'8"
* Distinguishing Characteristics: The size and shape of the bones indicated the person had performed heavy lifting during his lifetime.
* Dentals: Available.
The victim was located buried in an unmarked and shallow grave at the Normal Hill Cemetery. This man likely wouldn't have been found had grave diggers not discovered his bones while preparing another plot for burial on September 21, 1989. The cemetery began digging a hole for a plot, which no one was supposed to be in, they got down not very far and discovered some bones.
Buried 2 feet down and without a casket, the bones were conspicuous from the beginning.
The man had been buried in a north-south direction adjacent to other graves, while plots are buried on an east-west diagram in the cemetery.
Cemetery workers at first suspected they had discovered the bones of a person previously buried legitimately at the cemetery. But the relatively young age of the remains, buried within 10 years of their discovery in 1989, made it nearly impossible for the man to have escaped cemetery record-keeping. And police note that a change in the law in the 1960s led to the requirement that all deceased subjects be buried in a vault or casket.
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I'm not sure if he was heavy due to weight lifting; but he looks like a "solid" guy considering his stature/vitals. Time-line is about 9 years from disappearance to discovery of the UID. Thoughts?
Glenn Patrick Carroll
Missing since July 20, 1980 from Ely, White Pine County, Nevada.
* Date Of Birth: February 23, 1952
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 28 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8"; 220 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; brown eyes.
* Other Identifiers: Wears dark brown rimmed glasses and could possibly have a one month growth of beard.
* Dentals: Dental X-rays available
* DNA: Not available
Circumstances of Disappearance
Carroll was last seen on July 20, 1980 in Ely, NV. His car was found abandoned about 60 miles west of Ely.
I did not see a Namus profile for the UID so I have no way of knowing if there are any rule-outs.
The date of death is wide open yet oddly they give a limited range of the age of the UID. this guy rises to the top of my list - James Francis Schroeder, lka Sept 25, 1982 age 22, last seen in Grangeville, ID. He was 5'8 which is the estimated height of the UID:
I kind of doubt that a murderer would go through the trouble of burying a victim in a cemetery. I've seen instances where bodies were dumped above ground near a cemetery (e.g., Princess Doe), but not buried among the properly buried bodies.
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I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn't think at 5'8, 148lbs would be someone that would like they did heavy lifting (or a stocky build)
On the other hand, Patrick Carroll picture kind of gave me reason to believe that he could have been a heavy lifter (his neck is thick, looks like broad built shoulder, from what I can tell) something heavy lifters tend to get.
Yes for a girl, I am in the fitness industry..LOL
I'm not sure how the bones dictated the comment that he lifted heavy things. it does not mean he was a weight lifter as the thread heading implies, just that he lifted heavy things so he could have been a construction worker.
there is no photo anywhere that I've seen of Schroeder so I have no idea what he looked like.
Ely, NV and Lewiston, ID are about 681.5 from each other and about an 11 hour drive (according to Yahoo Maps). Did Glenn Carroll have ties to Lewiston, ID?
I just came across this article from yesterday...
More at the link above but it's a rather small article so didn't want to quote too much. It does mention DNA samples will be taken to the University of North Texas Center for Human Identification in case they find a possible match.County officials in Idaho intend to cremate remains of unidentified man unearthed in 1989
The Associated Press By The Associated Press
on December 18, 2012 at 2:36 PM, updated December 18, 2012 at 2:43 PM
LEWISTON, Idaho -- Officials in northern Idaho say they intend to finally cremate the remains of an unidentified man whose bones were discovered more than 23 years ago in a Lewiston cemetery.
Am I correct in assuming that Steven Pearsall has been eliminated. He went missing 9/2/82 along with two women. This is the Lewiston Civic Theater mystery. He is probably the highest profile missing person in Nw Idaho.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2071/10). The UID isn't listed on NamUs, but the Doe Network says that his dentals are available and the newspaper article said that DNA was also obtained. According to NamUs, Steven Pearsall's dentals and DNA are also available, so it sounds like they can be compared fairly easily if they haven't been already.
I ran across another missing person from Idaho named Clemente Godina. He was 27 and about 5'9" and 160 lbs with brown hair and brown eyes when he went missing in 1987.
I wonder if he could be a possibility?
My first thought was that it was a burial by a family who could not afford a proper burial and casket. Then, why would they have chosen that particular cemetery?
I would guess either because it was convenient (close to where they lived) or because other family members had been buried there before and they wanted him to be in the same place. It is right in the middle of town, it could have been a challenge to do a burial without being seen.
It would seem from the lack of a mention anywhere, he was buried nude??
Nothing necessarily states that this was a murder (i.e. C-O-D). It could be that this was an overdose, car accident victim, etc where the witnesses "freaked" and tried to hide it.
It could have been a migrant worker (not sure about ID, but they're mainly farm workers in KY). They could perhaps be "built" from hard work. It would be hard to notice the disappearance of someone who moves around.
If he were indeed nude, it would make the other things I said less likely as well...
Even if a friend OD'ed or it were an accident victim or something, I still don't see where the lack of clothing comes into play. Even it it was a shoddy burial, clothing should still be there as he wouldn't have been exposed to the elements (rain, heat, animals, etc).
He may not have even been nude. But even in the most simple entries (ie very little info known or handed over by authorities) on Doe/NamUs/etc have something about clothing or lack thereof. That there is no mention of clothing whatsoever is strange.