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    Quote Originally Posted by Name View Post
    Do you have proof he was? With an IQ of 72 he's "borderline" intelligence. However, his performance IQ had previously tested at 88, and somehow dropped a whopping 12 points when he's told if he scores low enough, he can't be considered for the death penalty. The fact is, his expert conceded there is concern that Jessie was faking his "handicap" for a benefit.

    A supporter turned non, who formed a close relationship with Jessie, talked to him frequently said he was not mentally handicapped and said she "wished supporters could have seen his face" when she told him how everyone thinks he's mentally challenged.

    Even based on the little snippets you see in PL1, he's NOT retarded. He seems pretty average intelligence for his demographics. Listen to his phone conversation like "THAT'S A STUPID QUESTION!" when his girlfriend asked if he's nervous. Look at how quick he shoots a "Are you crazy!" face at his sister when she says "Damien's a good kid". He interacts with family, friends normal. He reads a card, he can write notes to his family (exclaiming how he got a "bible"), he held a job, took care of himself because of his 'absentee' dad.

    The police didn't notice a handicap, his lawyers didn't think he had a handicap. His dad didn't seem so concerned about his son's "disability" when he led cops right to him to get questioned.

    Does he have verbal/communication issues? Yes. But he's not retarded enough to keep implicating himself in triple homicide.

    If anything, Jessie's "low intelligence" would make him more prone to CONFESS, because lying takes a LOT more mental power if there is feelings of guilt/remorse (which Jessie obviously displayed)

    The Jessie is so retarded is another lie supporters need to tell themselves to help them sleep at night.
    True Romance had no credility in the slightest and was very much a "woman scorned". And no Jessie was in special eds classes in school and given how reluctant poor states are to do that to save money it's safe to say that Jessie DID have handicaps.

    And no Jessie's confessions make no sense. What little he got right was already in the paper and rumor mill, others were very clearly fed to him if you read the transcript (there are numerous instances where they gestured to Jessie several times until he gave them the answer).

    Also they asked "do you know what a penis is." I'm sorry you don't ask that to an average kid. You only ask that if the kid has low intelligence at least. So they did suspect he had disabilities. Also Big Jessie is a.) rather disabled himself and b.) failed to realize that leaving a kid along with cops and no lawyer is a bad idea regardless.

    Also mental disabilities manifest differently, and the kid WAS in special eds classes. He wasn't just some normal kid.

    Again, you have to be an idiot to think they're guilty at this point. Even in West Memphis itself the people support them
    Last edited by LordYAM; 07-23-2017 at 09:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Name View Post
    Do you have proof he was? With an IQ of 72 he's "borderline" intelligence. However, his performance IQ had previously tested at 88, and somehow dropped a whopping 12 points when he's told if he scores low enough, he can't be considered for the death penalty. The fact is, his expert conceded there is concern that Jessie was faking his "handicap" for a benefit.

    A supporter turned non, who formed a close relationship with Jessie, talked to him frequently said he was not mentally handicapped and said she "wished supporters could have seen his face" when she told him how everyone thinks he's mentally challenged.

    Even based on the little snippets you see in PL1, he's NOT retarded. He seems pretty average intelligence for his demographics. Listen to his phone conversation like "THAT'S A STUPID QUESTION!" when his girlfriend asked if he's nervous. Look at how quick he shoots a "Are you crazy!" face at his sister when she says "Damien's a good kid". He interacts with family, friends normal. He reads a card, he can write notes to his family (exclaiming how he got a "bible"), he held a job, took care of himself because of his 'absentee' dad.

    The police didn't notice a handicap, his lawyers didn't think he had a handicap. His dad didn't seem so concerned about his son's "disability" when he led cops right to him to get questioned.

    Does he have verbal/communication issues? Yes. But he's not retarded enough to keep implicating himself in triple homicide.

    If anything, Jessie's "low intelligence" would make him more prone to CONFESS, because lying takes a LOT more mental power if there is feelings of guilt/remorse (which Jessie obviously displayed)

    The Jessie is so retarded is another lie supporters need to tell themselves to help them sleep at night.
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    1.) Jessie's 88 was several years before and still didn't cover the entire range (it covered some areas). As such it's possible for him to be woefully deficient in others. The deal breaker is the special meds classes and that he was reading at a lower level than kids in his age group.

    2.) True Romance was a liar and woman scorned. She later claimed that she was pretending to love him to "get into the mind of a killer" (implying she never believed him innocent.)

    3.) Actually he was and the cops knew it. They asked him "do you know what a penis is?" What person asks that question to a 17 year old unless they weren't handicapped. Even the slowest person knows what a penis is. Even leaving aside that Big Jessie is disabled himself letting a minor be alone with a cop is a bad idea regardless of intelligence so Big Jessie's words mean ****. And also they did suspect that Jessie was handicapped.
    Last edited by Coldpizza; 07-24-2017 at 08:10 AM. Reason: Stop personalizing your posts and being rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flourish View Post
    I appreciate the info, thank you. You do need to provide to link to your source, but I do appreciate reading the information when provided.
    In fairness callahan is down so he can't cite it. The problem is that he ignores that a.) Jessie WAS in special meds classes (which in poorer states they avoid unless they have to) b.) Jessie's 88 was in ONE part of the test (in others he was deficient) and c.) the malingering doesn't change that he was still at a lower reading level and lower functioning.

    nons NEED Jessie not to be retarded or disabled. If he was it makes the cops despicable *******s (which they are anyway) and grants credibility to why he confessed and was innocent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy55 View Post
    Arkansas DOC, much like many DOCs, implements an intake or evaluation period for inmates in which eventual facility placement is determined based on the needs of the inmate and general facility statistics such as population and staff at that particular time. It is true that with a pending criminal trial for DE and JB, continued contact with counsel is certainly plausible, but with JM already convicted and serving sentence, the nexus between counsel's advice on JM testifying and counsel's necessity for continued access to JM was destroyed. JM's relationship with counsel was now relegated to "witness", not "defendant". Therefore, DOC's decision and protocol on inmate transfer would easily take precedence over any additional pending criminal proceedings in which JM was not facing charges. I don't disagree that this very well impacted the subsequent conviction of DE and JB, but there just doesn't appear to be strong evidence for the belief that this particular chain of events were the result of some sophisticated legal and psychological strategy on behalf of the prosecution. JM was convicted, sentenced, and entered the correctional system in the same manner as any other inmate. The widely held belief of "causation" here is nothing more than spurious correlation.
    Yup, exactly. There's nothing sinister about it.

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    Part of it was timing. Jessie had been talked out of giving testimony by Dan on the 8th....and then all of a sudden they move him without telling his attorney. Maybe it was innocent but I can see why people might smell a rat (especially since the wmpd WERE a bunch or corrupt hillbillies)

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