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    it seems strange to me that bf did not act earlier on returning to flat and finding cat going bananas...starving and presumably had messed on floor....

    that ,plus non-returned texts and calls, would surely alert you quicker than 4 hours before seeking help....

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    TBH the cctv footage that the mirror has as it's headline there is no way to see who anyone is at the distance the people noted were.
    the only thing for certain is that it shows 1 person closly followed by 2 people along a road she may have used to go home.
    It maybe her it may not.

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    Viva the tabloids, they called it right. The Sun and the Mirror take the reportorial lead.

    The detective said he was also keeping an open mind about whether Miss Yeates was strangled with the sock. (Mirror)
    Not sure about that though. Keep an open mind, anything can crawl right in. Seems unlikely. A bit worried about the open-mindedness of police right now.

    Last night CCTV footage was released of two people walking 100 yards behind Jo on her last journey to her flat [and] timed them 27 seconds behind her at 8.45pm. (Sun)
    Mirror had earlier estimated 50 yards away and also 27 seconds behind. Not sure how one can be said except in the most literal terms to be "following" someone at that distance.

    But police admitted they did not know whether the mystery pair had been following Jo as she walked home alone. (Sun)
    Ah! Police can't be sure either.

    Mr Reardon, 27, did not raise the alarm until the early hours on Monday, December 20, because her lack of a response to his texts and calls was not untypical. (Daily Mail)
    Did we know of this "not untypical" thing? Hadn't heard that before. Seems to excuse certain behaviors.

    A close friend said the retired English teacher was hiring a leading London barrister and wanted huge damages from the police for wrongful arrest. (Daily Mail)
    We knew this was coming. If of course it wasn't him that did it.

    Links:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22827972/

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-one-sock.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gled-sock.html

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    Breaking News

    Man hands sock over to Jo police

    A man approached police outside Joanna Yeates's flat this afternoon and handed over a grey sock.
    Police then spoke to him at the side of the property.

    MORE to follow.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...Jo-police.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by naturally suspicious View Post
    it seems strange to me that bf did not act earlier on returning to flat and finding cat going bananas...starving and presumably had messed on floor....

    that ,plus non-returned texts and calls, would surely alert you quicker than 4 hours before seeking help....
    TBH it doesn't surprise me.

    It would be the type of thing my b/f would do - he's highly intelligent but lacks common sense. He wouldn't be suspicious straight away and certainly wouldn't phone or text saying "where are you?"

    More likely my dad or brother phoning up and finding me not about and not being in contact either would alert them to something being wrong. And my b/f certainly wouldn't phone my family or friends to find out if they had seen or heard from me.

    I suppose it just depends on the type of relationship you have and the type of people you are - my brother and girlfriend phone and text all the time when apart whereas my b/f and I don't - he works away and it's not unusal to go a day or two without texting each other.
    Surely it's better to let a guilty man live then to let an innocent man die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Breaking News

    Man hands sock over to Jo police

    A man approached police outside Joanna Yeates's flat this afternoon and handed over a grey sock.
    Police then spoke to him at the side of the property.

    MORE to follow.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...Jo-police.html
    Well let's hope it's true and it is the sock and provides the breakthrough they need.

    TBH, I'm beginning to think this will never get solved.
    Surely it's better to let a guilty man live then to let an innocent man die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myserty64 View Post
    As it stands the landlord told police he saw three people leaving her home on the night she disappeared. He thought one of the three people was Joanna.
    For his trouble he was arrested.
    Why? I'm not saying he was treated badly by the arrest but the police don't usually make an arrest on a whim.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/de...watched-arrest

    But detectives had been keeping a close eye on retired public school teacher Jefferies even before his claims surfaced in public, sources with knowledge of the investigation said.
    I don't think it was ever divulged why detectives had been watching him and what evidence they had connecting him with suspicion of murder.
    Last edited by squid; 01-05-2011 at 12:38 PM. Reason: grammar

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid View Post
    I don't think it was ever divulged why detectives had been watching him and what evidence they had connecting him with suspicion of murder.
    I think it probably was, as Sgt Jones suggested on Thread #1,

    Seems odd to me that the landlord appears on tv in much the same way as Ian Huntley did offering info...
    If they were in fact keeping an eye on the old boy beforehand, it was probably because he was hovering around, trying to place himself close to the investigation, being a busybody (and possibly quoting Rossetti, etc. etc.). Just being odd perhaps. Plus seeking to back away from his original statement to neighbors about apparently seeing Jo leaving with other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    I think it probably was, as Sgt Jones suggested on Thread #1,
    Do you have a link to anything official or is the suggestion just speculation? I am looking for something that was widely reported or released by the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid View Post
    Do you have a link to anything official or is the suggestion just speculation? I am looking for something that was widely reported or released by the police.
    Haven't seen a thing officially, or in print. The whole thing may just be a press rumor, or based on an overheard, "Yar, we had our eye on him from the very beginning" boast from someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Breaking News

    Man hands sock over to Jo police

    A man approached police outside Joanna Yeates's flat this afternoon and handed over a grey sock.
    Police then spoke to him at the side of the property.

    MORE to follow.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...Jo-police.html
    It's been whooshed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheDevil View Post
    It's been whooshed?
    Yes, just checked - gone with the wind. Awaiting further developments. First the print that I copied and pasted was gone, and now they've removed the link from Top Stories entirely. False alarm perhaps.

    ----------

    I found this interesting; police apparently a bit touchy these days:

    ITV News banned from Joanna Yeates press conference
    Avon & Somerset constabulary move follows News at Ten report critical of force's murder investigation

    ITV News was today banned from a press conference by Avon & Somerset police after broadcasting a critical report on the force's investigation into the murder of Joanna Yeates.

    Avon & Somerset constabulary has also complained to the media regulator, Ofcom, about what it claimed was the "unfair, naive and irresponsible reporting" of the case on ITV1's News at Ten last night.

    The broadcaster's reporters were told they would not be allowed into today's briefing on the murder of the landscape architect in Bristol last month, but were given no further detail about why.
    the rest of it at
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-investigation

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    More public breast-beating, this from London Evening Standard, about the way Mr Jefferies was treated by the press:

    Joanna Yeates case demonstrates ‘casual cruelty’ of journalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Yes, just checked - gone with the wind. Awaiting further developments. First the print that I copied and pasted was gone, and now they've removed the link from Top Stories entirely. False alarm perhaps.
    The Daily Mail's report is still up including pics of the sock handover

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gled-sock.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid View Post
    The Daily Mail's report is still up including pics of the sock handover
    Good find! Relevant paragraphs plus pix:

    After the press conference, a man approached officers at the couple's flat and handed them a dark-coloured sock.

    The man, who had white hair and was wearing a black and khaki-coloured jacket, put the sock he was carrying in an evidence bag presented to him by police.

    Following his conversation with officers by the side of the building, he left the premises via the front gate, telling the waiting media only that he had been told not to say anything.

    He was then escorted away by a police officer.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1ABTm9ujB

    The two pictures:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...73_306x423.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...67_306x423.jpg

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    Wow, the "may have been strangled with own sock" construct is really ruling the roost, appearing right now in one form or another in main online Yeates case headlines of

    * the Independent
    * the Telegraph
    * the Mirror
    * the Daily Mail
    * the Times

    The focus on the missing sock itself, though not as proposed murder weapon, is topping headlines in Sky News, the Guardian, and The Sun also.

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    Can this be for real? that the property had not been searched thoroughly and that a member of the public found it?

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    Police say it's not the sock.

    Depends if Jo wore a matching pair or not.

    I don't - I wear trousers all the time and trainers or boots. I often wear odd socks - I have socks that are same make and material but different colours so if I cant find a matching pair, I just wear odd socks.

    Interesting, a retired plod has suggested the sock may have been the murder weapon. That's quite an interesting theory - would explain why it was missing.

    Or, it could have come off as the perp dragged Jo's body across the floor.

    Seeing as Jo had no shoes / boots on, or coat, the odds are she was killed at home. An abductor would want to make her leave her house looking as normal as possible to avoid attracting attention.

    Plus, with the half drunk cider, you got to think Jo got home, kicked off her shoes / boots, took off her coat, poured a glass of cider and prepared to relax for the evening.

    She decided to pop the pizza in the oven, when the door bell rings or the intruder has been hiding reveals themselves and the pizza ends up over the perp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Jones View Post
    Police say it's not the sock.

    Depends if Jo wore a matching pair or not.

    I don't - I wear trousers all the time and trainers or boots. I often wear odd socks - I have socks that are same make and material but different colours so if I cant find a matching pair, I just wear odd socks.

    Interesting, a retired plod has suggested the sock may have been the murder weapon.
    If the police have ruled out the sock so quickly, it suggests that they have fiber evidence. This could be construed to mean that the evidence was taken from Jo's neck and that she was in fact strangled with the sock. (Or of course it could relate to fibers found on her bare foot.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Jones View Post
    Police say it's not the sock.

    Depends if Jo wore a matching pair or not.

    I don't - I wear trousers all the time and trainers or boots. I often wear odd socks - I have socks that are same make and material but different colours so if I cant find a matching pair, I just wear odd socks.

    Interesting, a retired plod has suggested the sock may have been the murder weapon. That's quite an interesting theory - would explain why it was missing.

    Or, it could have come off as the perp dragged Jo's body across the floor.

    Seeing as Jo had no shoes / boots on, or coat, the odds are she was killed at home. An abductor would want to make her leave her house looking as normal as possible to avoid attracting attention.

    Plus, with the half drunk cider, you got to think Jo got home, kicked off her shoes / boots, took off her coat, poured a glass of cider and prepared to relax for the evening.

    She decided to pop the pizza in the oven, when the door bell rings or the intruder has been hiding reveals themselves and the pizza ends up over the perp.
    and the police not ruling out that she could have been strangled with the sock; SURELY they would know if this was the case, there would be trace fibres around her throat? and even possible abrasive marks?

    I cant make up my mind if the police are trying to be too clever, and smoke out the perp, or if they are plain stupid and running around like headless chickens..... it is turning into a bit of a fiasco though - the police and television network having such a public spat..... how damned unprofessional!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    If the police have ruled out the sock so quickly, it suggests that they have fiber evidence. This could be construed to mean that the evidence was taken from Jo's neck and that she was in fact strangled with the sock. (Or of course it could relate to fibers found on her bare foot.)
    Sorry, I should have said poilce don't think it's the sock - they haven't ruled it out.

    I don't think they have had time to process it for forensics so I assume they are going on the fact it's not a matching sock.

    Seems strange to find a sock in the street, though.

    Gloves I can understand as well as hats but not socks as they tend to be encased in shoes and boots whereas the gloves and hats are worn externally.

    I've seen shoes dropped in the street before, and baby socks but never an adult sock.
    Surely it's better to let a guilty man live then to let an innocent man die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Jones View Post
    Sorry, I should have said poilce don't think it's the sock - they haven't ruled it out.

    I don't think they have had time to process it for forensics so I assume they are going on the fact it's not a matching sock.

    Seems strange to find a sock in the street, though.

    Gloves I can understand as well as hats but not socks as they tend to be encased in shoes and boots whereas the gloves and hats are worn externally.

    I've seen shoes dropped in the street before, and baby socks but never an adult sock.
    I may be being unkind, but IF you suspected this could be the sock associated with a VERY high profile murder enquiry - why not leave it in situ and call the police? (so as to be sure not to contaminate it!) or take it the the local cop shop...... strikes me, this old boy may have been after his 15 minutes of fame and the matching one is in his laundry basket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna15 View Post
    I may be being unkind, but IF you suspected this could be the sock associated with a VERY high profile murder enquiry - why not leave it in situ and call the police? (so as to be sure not to contaminate it!) or take it the the local cop shop...... strikes me, this old boy may have been after his 15 minutes of fame and the matching one is in his laundry basket.
    Well-said! I'm still chuckling. Yes, I was thinking along the lines of, "Surely someone then, if it's an actual sock found of late, must have first taken the sock home, then realized the importance of it later." But who finds a sock on the street and takes it home in the first place??

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    So C/J is getting a High Profile Barrister.... to either file big damages as reported or .... to defend him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Well-said! I'm still chuckling. Yes, I was thinking along the lines of, "Surely someone then, if it's an actual sock found of late, must have first taken the sock home, then realized the importance of it later." But who finds a sock on the street and takes it home in the first place??
    Ewwwwwww! yuk! It's bad enough going near my own b/f's socks!

    Did the old boy take it home? If he did, that's weird.

    I thought maybe he's seen it in the street a few days or so ago and then when he saw the news he realised it's significance. But yes I'd call the cops and let them pick it up.

    I hope the police realise that not everyone wears matching socks.
    Surely it's better to let a guilty man live then to let an innocent man die?

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