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    UK - Joanna Yeates, Clifton, Bristol, 17 December 2010 - #5

    And along now to Thread # 5, the unsolved case of Joanna Yeates, 25, a landscape architect, found dead on Longwood Lane, Flailand, North Somerset, after having gone missing from her home on Canynge Road, Clifton, Bristol.

    REMEMBER, please: disagree, but don't bicker for the sake of it; attack the post if need be, but never the poster; maintain your sense of decorum; and PLEASE use restraint in referring to those who have not been named as suspects.
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    X Wondering who these people being discussed are, in terms of case context? Or to what the initials being used refer? See Destroyer's excellent post from last thread, here:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5989307&postcount=373"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased UK - Joanna Yeates, Clifton, Bristol, 17 December 2010 - #3[/ame]


    X Also, PhillB has done an excellent map of the area in question; it can be referred to here:

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    Terrific discussion and sleuthing so far - an incredible amount of work has been done by a good many talented WSers. Welcome to those new to the case! Excellent links to information from media abound on the first four threads; familiarizing yourself with the case will enhance your understanding of the discussion on this, its fourth thread.

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    Carrying over my post from the last page of thread #4 .............

    Many things are not sitting well with me this evening, listed below:


    a) The mobile phone habits

    http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html


    Both RS and GR say that Jo was "useless" with her mobile phone

    RS says that she too is "useless" with her phone

    RS and GR say quite the same thing yet Jo's actions involving her phone on the 17th tell us that she uses her phone in a rather regular way like the rest of us - she called CAG (sorry forgot his initials), and she called and spoke to RS no problem - so that kind of contradicts RS and GR's tales of Jo's mobile phone habits (and indeed RS' story about her own mobile phone habits). I find that troubling. I wonder if these two have any other things they share, iykwim.


    b) The friend's video
    I don't know why but I find this video very disturbing and not at all what I was 'expecting'. Anyone else have similar feelings?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-her-loss.html

    c) The father
    I don't know about you, and I hesitate to judge on looks alone usually, but I find this fella about the least likely kind of chap to be working in IT. Is that really his job or does he have some significant 'other' role that would mean that the LE came out in force, guns blazing from the outset - which by all accounts was veeery early on considering this perhaps appeared at first to be just a missing person case - after an office party - no great urgency. ??

    all, of course, jmo.

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    Welcome to those who've just come aboard this day, and may have escaped our notice. For those guests onlooking, we were all new once, some of us quite recently - join us!


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    have just posted on previous thread will it get on this thread does anyone know pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweep the cat View Post
    have just posted on previous thread will it get on this thread does anyone know pls
    Sweep the cat's last post from Thread #4:

    Not sure if this is greg or not, however, I do wonder and some of you might not like this much.

    The friendship between Jo and her friend goes back 10 years, they went to Uni together, on their first holiday together and camping together. Now, being of warped mind etc. was this friendship more than a friendship and was her friend dumped for Greg at some time. This then brings the slant of obsession into focus. it was the friend that knew that Jo was was on her own for the weekend.

    I will leave you all to think about the rest.

    Sorry if this offends but I have a strong feeling a woman is very much involved and this theory fits.

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    And Destroyer's reply to Sweep the cat's last post, from Thread #4:

    I did raise a similar issue in a previous thread about RS, but got shot down because others believed 'Strangulation' is more of a mans thing.

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    Just watched the Sky News interview with RS & i hope this doesnt offend anyone, but what i am going to say is that if it were known RS was a lesbian, i would have her down as the 'Man' if you know what i mean ?? Please dont take these comments as 'Homophobic' , just an observation i am making.

    I also noticed she doesnt like looking up at the camera much either ??
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    how do you refresh this page pls

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    From Destroyer:
    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    And Destroyer's reply to Sweep the cat's last post, from Thread #4:
    I wouldn't say strangulation is necessarily more of a man's thing. It's just that if I, as a normal sized woman, was going to strangle another woman, I know it would be a phyiscal struggle I may well not win.

    Most men can over power a woman. But a woman vs a woman, is pretty evenly matched. Those are not winning odds for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweep the cat View Post
    how do you refresh this page pls
    I just hit my usual "refresh screen" doo-dad at the top of my screen by the URL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer View Post
    Just watched the Sky News interview with RS & i hope this doesnt offend anyone, but what i am going to say is that if it were known RS was a lesbian, i would have her down as the 'Man' if you know what i mean ?? Please dont take these comments as 'Homophobic' , just an observation i am making.

    I also noticed she doesnt like looking up at the camera much either ??
    Yes I know what you mean Destroyer, however, RS could have had a man with her who is unknown

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    Daily Express has a new headline for information already all over the papers:

    JOANNA YEATES’ LAST WORDS: SEE YOU ON CHRISTMAS EVE...

    Good enough overview of RS's press accounts today though, for those who haven't seen it, plus the interview video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweep the cat View Post
    Yes I know what you mean Destroyer, however, RS could have had a man with her who is unknown
    The Police obviously have Jo's last conversation with Rebeca traced to where R.S was at the time. If her mobile signal was in Bristol then it's time for her to worry big time, but I think she can easily be ruled out if not.
    Which I suspect has already been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Daily Express has a new headline for information already all over the papers:

    JOANNA YEATES’ LAST WORDS: SEE YOU ON CHRISTMAS EVE...

    Good enough overview of RS's press accounts today though, for those who haven't seen it, plus the interview video.

    Police believe PhD student Rebecca, 25, was the last person to speak to her. Her body was found on Christmas Day.

    Joanna made the fateful call to Rebecca at 8.30pm on December 17 as she walked back to the flat she had rented with Greg.

    Joanna had telephoned her “inseparable’’ best friend of 10 years while walking home alone from the pub where she had enjoyed Christmas drinks with her work mates.

    Devastated Rebecca revealed how Joanna had given her no hint anything was wrong in that final call. “She had so much life in her left to live,” she said.

    She also quashed speculation that Joanna could have been seeing another man before she was killed, insisting her friend was “besotted” with boyfriend Greg Reardon.

    “She was so happy with Greg too,” she said. “They were perfect for each other. They were very close and anyone around them could see that happiness and just how good they were together. Jo’s not someone who would move into an apartment with someone on a whim. It was very clear to everyone who knew her that she and Greg were the real deal. She had so much life left in her to live. Now that has been taken away.’’

    Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...#ixzz1As5uinwp

    These words are a wonderful cover for someone who is hurting about their ex lover. She says she was the last person to speak to Jo. So positive is she that she cannot look into the camera when saying it.

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    Anorak, up to its usual amusing deviltry:

    Joanna Yeates: Finally A Celebrity Joins The Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweep the cat View Post
    So positive is she that she cannot look into the camera when saying it.
    Sweep, the convention is for interviewees is to look at the interviewer but not into the camera. TV directors would cut and restart if she did.

    Is it because you are based in the US where I know the convention is different? To us it's a little weird when US TV interviewees or panel pundits turn and stare at us. When you have three of them on a panel on Fox it's just scary. In the UK, only the host addresses the audience at home and interviewees or panel pundits look at him/her or each other but never at the camera.

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    Goodnight all off to bed happy sleuthing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaconotus View Post
    Sweep, the convention is for interviewees is to look at the interviewer but not into the camera. TV directors would cut and restart if she did.

    Is it because you are based in the US where I know the convention is different? To us it's a little weird when US TV interviewees or panel pundits turn and stare at us. When you have three of them on a panel on Fox it's just scary. In the UK, only the host addresses the audience at home and interviewees or panel pundits look at him/her or each other but never at the camera.
    I am in the UK and probably barking up the wrong tree. I do not know much about convention on interviewees but I feel that this particular interview is such a good red herring. I am not saying it is right but I am not ruling it out at all.

    Now Im off to bed zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patticake View Post
    From Destroyer:


    I wouldn't say strangulation is necessarily more of a man's thing. It's just that if I, as a normal sized woman, was going to strangle another woman, I know it would be a phyiscal struggle I may well not win.

    Most men can over power a woman. But a woman vs a woman, is pretty evenly matched. Those are not winning odds for me.


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    A woman,(or a man) could strangle another woman more easily if she used the element of surprise i.e. if she came at the victim from behind. Throws the ligature over the victim's head,and around the neck,while at the same time placing a knee in the small of the victim's back. Very quick. Maybe time to scream a couple of times.... Sorry to be so graphic.

    All JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    And Destroyer's reply to Sweep the cat's last post, from Thread #4:
    Destroyers previous thread:

    Perhaps they found the remains of a body organ ie a heart for example ?? I'm sure ive said this before ??

    I thought L/E may have found 'something' which made them take this so seriously from the outset......but not this!
    "There are some that should be behind bars....and some that shouldn't"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeymot View Post
    Destroyers previous thread:
    Perhaps they found the remains of a body organ ie a heart for example ?? I'm sure ive said this before ??

    I thought L/E may have found 'something' which made them take this so seriously from the outset......but not this!
    Well i'm only saying because the the family & bf seemed very much as though they had given up all hope of her coming home alive from the outset, which makes me wonder if whatever was seen/found at the flat was something she couldnt live without ?? I'm only summising, but if they found something like that, your definitely dead & theres no-way the LE would scare the hell out of everybody by going into such detail. However one thing is for sure here - a murderer is on the loose & theyve got to be caught.

    Remember the DCI's word "these are sick & twisted people we are dealing with here..." all that is missing from that sentence is "not any ordinary murderer."
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    Just to clarify folks...from the previous thread I said re the dogs..

    Originally Posted by saggymoon
    I think Mr Zhivago was exagerrating, I know from the Madeleine McCann case that 2 of the worlds top dogs were brought in, and the fee for their use was in the region of 400-500£ a day (and that was for 2 dogs, perhaps it would be less if just one was used)

    And the best said about the results there the better. (Robin Hood)

    The above should have read..

    And the LEAST said about that the better.

    Don't want to diss the dogs lol.

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    Also on the previous thread posters were wondering about the police having not described the 4 x 4 seen in the area. The police said they had reasons for not giving out further descriptions, I have a theory re. this..

    I THINK they want to allow witnesses to describe the vehicle themselves without the police leading them because when this goes to court (and I think it will) the person involved will try to get their brief to discount the evidence due to witnesses being 'led' by the police.
    A little story for you, years ago I would meet a few aquaintences for dog walking so to speak. We would meet in a pub car park next to a golf course and while the dogs went on the park we all would have a beer. Sometimes if it were raining or cold we would sit in the back 'hatch' of one of the chaps cars. My car was a Nissan and when the boot hatch was lifted there was a panel where ones legs would go so you couldn't sit properly, it was too uncomfortable. However the Volvo estate my mate had was flush to the floor of the car, you could sit and dangle your legs out, a very comfortable seat.
    Anything in the boot could be rolled out without lifting it up over the 'ledge' if you understand.
    Just my observations re the 4 x4, could mean nothing.

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    "Perhaps they found the remains of a body organ ie a heart for example ?? I'm sure ive said this before ?? "
    Sorry Destroyer but no quote button


    I don't know if this is meant as 'tongue in cheek' joke kind of thing, some kind of blood or guts left on show.
    Surely if this were so, GR would have spotted it immediately and rung police. However, if he was the guilty party he certainly wouldn't have left it there for parents to discover.

    I feel this was impulsive murder not pre-meditated so no time for any kind of 'surgery' on body.
    I definitely agree about parents not expecting their daughter to be found alive on that first press conference or whatever it's called. They didn't seem to have any hope for her return...so very possible something was found in flat -but what??

    Couldn't GR have eaten the pizza - he wouldn't have had any idea it was going to be an important clue. Box would have gone into rubbish bin which I believe was collected next day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gloriana View Post
    "Couldn't GR have eaten the pizza - he wouldn't have had any idea it was going to be an important clue. Box would have gone into rubbish bin which I believe was collected next day?
    G.R knows full well the Police are looking for the pizza, if he is innocent, which i'm sure as can be he is, then there is no reason for him not to say he'd eaten it, or thrown it away. I'd be too worried sick to eat anything if my girl was missing no matter how hungry I was.

    Unless the pizza was eaten before the murder, and unless the murderer is a really cold and heartless individual, then I doubt very much they've eaten it too after the murder. Infact i'd go as far as to say, if it was a close acquintance, and the murder was not intended (heat of the moment thing) I doubt they'll be eating very much, or sleeping at all.

    They must be going through a living hell.
    Just waiting for that inevitable knock at the door from the Police.
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