We've had similiar accidents/crashes occur in front and near our house - after calling the police, the wife and I, and all the other neighbors are outside, looking out windows... and we are in a city.... One would think out in the sticks, people would even be more concerned, or simply curious enough to watch until LE arrived... another point, when we call the police we will tell them the condition of the person(s), and things like - the person appears dazed, or is in danger of be struck by another car.... also, when it's just a woman involved, my wife seems to instinctively want to help all the more... so while I can understand the men staying back, it's strange again that no women came to Maura's aid...
The scenario is - I mean, can you picture it..... Oh, there's a car that crashed into a snow bank and there's a woman inside the car.... she appears dazed.... honey, call the police..... now let's see what on TV...
springtime is finally here so lucky to be alive and enjoying it after a winter!
Okay, I'm almost finished reading the book that Maura had with her. It's fascinating even though I'm not a hiker (think I want to try it), have never seen the White Mountains. But I just don't see how one could think the book was an indication she wanted to commit suicide. Given that she and her Dad often hiked in those mountains, I can see when she did many of those trails using the book for a reference "this is where so and so happened." Many of us here when crimes happen around us, we go and check it out for ourselves....it's just some sort of personality trait we share. The book makes very clear that winter is a treacherous time there and one has to be careful but winter hiking can be done with prudence. If one loves the lore of the land, one would appreciate this book. It certainly would fall in the reference category...I find myself flipping back and forth between chapters at times.
Is that a place where everyone minds their own business? Do they have a particularly strong strain of individualism in NH? Are outsiders frowned upon?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
There are known unknowns; there are things we know we don't know.
There are unknown unknowns; there are things we don't know we don't know.
And there are unknown knowns; there are things we don't know we know.
If I saw an accident and police had not come... I would go out and see if there was anything I could do.
I have been to the site of Maura's accident, met her family, posted fliers... It is isolated, yet I have wondered the same thing... why did NO one go out to help and STAY with her...
Just a thought.
I've lived in similar areas in northern New England. A car in the snowbank is a very common thing. If I knew that the bus driver had checked on the driver and that LE was on the way, I probably would go on about my business.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." -- Nietzsche
I feel bad for the bus driver. I really think he attempted to do the right thing, and it has just caused him grief. I'm 2 years younger than Maura Murray and I've done some stupid things while drunk and even sober. When I read her story, I feel lucky to be alive. I once freaked out by the Phillies stadium after a cop told me I needed to find my friends. I was so drunk I couldn't even work a phone. I ended up leaving my friends phone and mine on the curb while I ran from the cop - I was scared he would arrest me. I jumped into the back of a random persons van and ended up in another state. Some how I got home alive that night, but it was basically a miracle. If Maura was drinking and driving (which it sounds like) she was probably freaked out. She may have hopped in the wrong car in an attempt to keep her DUI a secret.
I had a 1993 Saturn - it was an odd car. I literally hit a car while I was rolling forward at a red light (I didn't have my foot completely on the brake). The car in front of me had a metal hitch. It caught the hood of my car which folded up like an accordion. The sides of my Saturn were really stable and built for safety. It was hit while I was in the passenger side of the car by a van. There wasn't a dent in my car - and my door some how survived. Saturn's can be weird when they're in an accident.
The only problem with Maura possibly getting into a car with someone right away or being abducted was that her boyfriend got a whimpering phone call the next morning. I wonder if LE questions how likely it would be that she'd be able to get to the phone and why she didn't ask for help instead of whimper, if it were her. Of course, she could have been out in the cold, and almost to hypothermia. Even with that, she'd have had to been in some shelter overnight or she might have already been affected and unconscious.
I think she could have survived the night, if she kept on moving. If she stopped and remained outdoors, I don't think she would have made it, especially if she fell asleep. She didn't sleep much the night before, so that was a big danger if she remained outdoors.
Last edited by McSpy; 04-05-2011 at 10:27 PM.
You are right on the money about the Saturn. I had one too. You could take a hammer to the door or fenders and it wouldn't dent. If you hit it hard enough, it might split, but that's about it.
There are several things that deeply concern me about this entire investigation. The police report is erroneous for one. That I have on good faith. IMO - The construction worker may be the key to this entirely. I don't have the documents but I'm almost certain somewhere along the lines the police or investigators were denied access to search certain areas. I've been attempting to verify this information. Then there is this, which has been bothering me for quite some time.
As written on May 1, 2009 in the Eagle Tribune by James A Kimble
John Healy, a former state trooper, said he and several other private investigators have been working to solve the 2004 disappearance of Maura Murray, a case now believed to be a homicide.
After two searches of a wooded area in Haverhill, N.H., where Murray's car went off the road, searchers found two pieces of possible evidence, he said. That evidence, which Healy wouldn't describe, is now in the hands of the state attorney general's office.
Something is rotten somewhere in this case. One witness is now deceased and the initial officer at the scene has since become the Chief and retired. The construction worker? Who knows? There is very little information available.
One would think at the very least based on the Tribune article and statements made that if the investigation is in fact being treated as a homocide, that good detective work would definitely include requesting the searching of the personal property of the construction worker and possibly any subsequent working sites he had access to. He would need to be eliminated as a potential suspect based soley on the grounds he freely admitted he may have seen Maura.
Do you have a link to the article about the 2 pieces of evidence?
I am, and always have been, on the same page as "Search."
When I come to think of it, the construction contractor said he worked until 7pm in Franconia, if I remember correctly. I have limited knowledge on the hours construction contractors work, but it does seem late to me. Maybe he was caught up with the work, but 7pm at night seems much later in the winter time. Possibly, he had a deadline or he was almost finished with a project and just wanted to complete it, so he put in a couple of hours to do that. However, in my limited experience, those guys usually head home around 5pm. I could be wrong, but I have always been suspicious of the time he gave to LE.
He states the case needs special attention.
10 Private investigators working pro bono.
New Hampshire Police investigators on the case too.
All this time has passed. Kind of makes you lose all confidence in the direction and competency of those leading the investigation in the past and present.
springtime is finally here so lucky to be alive and enjoying it after a winter!
Search, I've been down this road before in another case -- so much manpower, effort, energy -- but no result. Could it be there is a proverbial elephant in the room about which no one will speak? What do you think?