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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Here's my facial reconstruction for this John Doe.



    That is freaking awesome! Carl that's the coolest thing ever! I'm like, in total awe LOL
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 02-08-2015 at 11:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    There is also a Youth Detention Facility/Reform School - then called the Boys Village - located in Cheltenham, MD which is very near to Route 301, a few miles due west from where this young man was found. Boys are sent there from all over the state of Maryland. There were also a number of other residential schools in the area for youths with various learning or emotional disabilities. It is quite possible that he was a runaway from such an institution or school.
    I like the Cheltenham theory.... I REALLY like that theory... good find!!!! CH is closed now though, right?

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    Hospitals

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    There is no indication as to what the cause of death was, only a strange statement that he may have been recently hospitalized. Perhaps he died of some sickness while running away from home or hospital. Or perhaps someone dumped his body where it was found.

    The nearest hospital to the site would have been Calvert Memorial Hospital located on Route 4 in Prince Frederick, MD (probably about a 25 minute drive south from where the boy was found.

    Another hospital is Prince Georges hospital in Clinton, MD - which is located at the corner of Route 5 and Surrattsville Road. This hospital is almost due west of where the boy was found.

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    Cheltenham Youth Facility

    Quote Originally Posted by astridxx View Post
    I like the Cheltenham theory.... I REALLY like that theory... good find!!!! CH is closed now though, right?
    Actually, the facility is still in existance and in full operation.

    It was started by the State of Maryland in the 1870's as a "School of Reformation for Negro boys", and has been in continuous operation.

    Today it is a detention facility for boys 18 and under (of all races). It is called Cheltenham Youth Facility (CYF) now. For the most part, it is meant to be a temporary incarceration place for minors charged with various crimes and awaiting trial.

    Today, there is rather high security with high fences all around, much supervision inside, and with secure gate entrance. Escape or running away from it would be very difficult today.

    But, back in 1973, there was much less security at the Boys Village. I do not believe that there was any kind of a fence or gate. The remote location was probably considered enough of a deterrent to any one wanting to run away.

    Today, boys detained at CYF wear uniform clothing like khaki pants, white shirts and dark green sweatshirts. White socks and white underwear are also standard. On cold days, jackets and watch caps might be issued.

    All personal clothing, belts, shoes, etc are taken from them on entry.

    I do not know what clothing was worn back in 1973. Perhaps boys were allowed to wear their own clothing then.

    The boys at CYF come from all over the state of Maryland and even from other states at times. Often runaways from other states are detained there until they can be returned to their homes, or placed in foster care.

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    Richard, the cops probably tried to contact people at CYF back in 1973 when they found this kid's body, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by astridxx View Post
    Richard, the cops probably tried to contact people at CYF back in 1973 when they found this kid's body, right?
    you'd hope they would have contacted the CYF but you never know. juvenile records are notoriously sealed but you'd think if a kid escaped and then a kid was found dead nearby someone would put 2 and 2 together.

    you'd think.

    ETA - unless of course the facility wanted to deny that kids were escaping and whitewashed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    you'd hope they would have contacted the CYF but you never know. juvenile records are notoriously sealed but you'd think if a kid escaped and then a kid was found dead nearby someone would put 2 and 2 together.

    you'd think.

    ETA - unless of course the facility wanted to deny that kids were escaping and whitewashed it.
    Then I wonder how we could figure that out.. :/

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    The way things are TODAY, if a boy leaves CYF without being properly released, the County Police would be notified immediately.

    It is hard to say what the situation was back in 1973 regarding kids running away from Boys Village. AND it would be hard to say what police would do even if they were notified right away. They might not have looked very hard and even when a dead boy is found, might not link him to the Boys Village Cheltenham (now called Cheltenham Youth Facility or CYF).

    It is possible that IF the boy was at Boys Village, he might have been placed there afer being picked up for some infraction or crime and might not even have his real name. If he was picked up with no Identification, no known relatives in the area, etc,- and he could have given a false name. He would be kept there until an adult parent or guardian could be located.

    IF he were to have run away, Boys Village might not have had much information to report. And if police were to have gone to Boys Village with photos of the dead boy, it is possible that the people they showed the photos to had not actually seen him.

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    I'm gonna go on and email the contact listed for CYF. I'll share what I can dig up.

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    This seals the deal on the CYF theory for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    The way things are TODAY, if a boy leaves CYF without being properly released, the County Police would be notified immediately.

    It is hard to say what the situation was back in 1973 regarding kids running away from Boys Village. AND it would be hard to say what police would do even if they were notified right away. They might not have looked very hard and even when a dead boy is found, might not link him to the Boys Village Cheltenham (now called Cheltenham Youth Facility or CYF).

    It is possible that IF the boy was at Boys Village, he might have been placed there afer being picked up for some infraction or crime and might not even have his real name. If he was picked up with no Identification, no known relatives in the area, etc,- and he could have given a false name. He would be kept there until an adult parent or guardian could be located.

    IF he were to have run away, Boys Village might not have had much information to report. And if police were to have gone to Boys Village with photos of the dead boy, it is possible that the people they showed the photos to had not actually seen him.
    Do you know -- would this facility have been only for Maryland residents, or would a runaway from another state who got in trouble have been placed there, for instance while waiting for a parental unit to come pick him up?
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Boys Village and runaways

    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Do you know -- would this facility have been only for Maryland residents, or would a runaway from another state who got in trouble have been placed there, for instance while waiting for a parental unit to come pick him up?

    The Cheltenham Youth Facility (CYF) was called Boys Village in Cheltenham back when this young boy was found a few miles to the east of it.

    Most of the boys (18 and under) are Maryland residents and they are held there temporarily while awaiting court appearances for various crimes.

    Sometimes boys who have run away from another state, who get into some sort of trouble in Maryland, are also held there for a short period awaiting transportation back to their home state, or parents' state.

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    Lax Security at Maryland Youth Facility Worries Its Pr. George's Neighbors
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    The Washington Post (pre-1997 Fulltext) - Washington, D.C.
    Author: Eugene L. Meyer
    Date: Sep 23, 1989
    Start Page: b.01
    Section: METRO
    Text Word Count: 863
    In the parlance of the Maryland juvenile justice system, youths at Boys Village are "residents" rather than "inmates." But when they escape, it's all the same to anxious neighbors in the rural environs of southern Prince George's County whose only warnings are the sound of helicopters and the glare of spotlights.

    Behind the escapes also lies a shift in the philosophy of handling accused juvenile offenders. Harry W. Langmead, deputy director for direct care services, said the department had abandoned "oppressive and repressive" methods-including putting difficult youths in cages-for a more open, humane approach. "In that shift, the security breach occurs," he said.

    To bolster Boys Village security, state legislators pushed through a $493,000 supplemental appropriation this year. It will be used for stainless steel screens on windows; "sally ports," or wire mesh corridors, between cottage doors; a security bus; and a special vehicle to take food to cottages. A proposed $1.2 million fence around the entire complex was deemed too costly. As part of an internal shake-up, the two top administrators at Boys Village were replaced. Overseeing the facility now are Charles S. Paraskevaides, director of juvenile detention services, and Philip L. Colbert, a well-regarded administrator who formerly ran a state detention facility in Laurel.

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    I just don't know how someone from BV could escape and BV/CYF not be held accountable and/or know who the youth was...

    Cops would have interviewed the employees at CYF, wouldn't they?

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    Ahh look at this...

    "About 45 per cent of the juveniles admitted to Maryland training schools last year escaped, according to a broad study of the state juvenile correctional system released yesterday."

    From June 1972.... hmm...

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