935 users online (116 members and 819 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 107
  1. #31
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    northern VA, USA
    Posts
    2,060
    S/w the current head of CYF who directed me to the past head of BV in the 70s. He got back to me and said he didn't recall of any such incidents but with the youth's name DJS or the facility could advise.

    .... hey bro, I don't HAVE his name. *head desk* (and yes, I said he was unidentified)


    You know, I wonder.... maybe he was just recently let out of CYF.... and decided to walk home or wherever...

    No one knows a cause of death, do they?




    EDIT: (sorry I'm all over the place).... I just spoke with the case manager who will pull the file and let me know what she can/ She said the general public isn't allowed to know the cause of death (I think), so no luck with that.

  2. #32
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    northern VA, USA
    Posts
    2,060
    SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER PSYCHED. Just spoke with ME who said he died of pneumonia and he was a suspected drug abuser (the track marks or puncture wounds in arms).

    I'm going to contact some news outlets to ask if they'd like to feature this story to maybe get in new tips -- they didn't run pictures in the paper or on the news back in the day.


    This just in from ex-head of BV --- the kids there were allowed to wear street clothes at the time. When I mentioned the BV theory to the ME she said "yeah but I doubt they'd just let them walk out the door."
    Last edited by astridxx; 10-26-2012 at 02:56 PM.

  3. #33
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New England
    Posts
    17,852
    I think he's just a street kid. Maybe a throwaway.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

  4. #34
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    northern VA, USA
    Posts
    2,060
    This is one of those cases that I feel like we'll never solve. No one in NAMUS matches him, no one in NCMEC matches him. I don't think they kept good databases of runaways or street kids in the 70s. *sigh* It's almost hopeless. I want to believe he had a family that cared about him and he just got caught up in the wrong crowd...

  5. #35
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    northern VA, USA
    Posts
    2,060
    He looks like an Elliot to me.

  6. #36
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    5,075
    The area where he was found was - and still is - a very remote location. It is wooded and there were no houses or buildings near it.

    If he was from the immediate area, he could have been at home, or at the home of a friend, rather that in this place. December is not a good time to be walking around in thin clothing. Sleeping outside would be out of the question if there was any alternative available to him.

    It sounds like he could very well have left the Boys Village with the clothes on his back, and started walking in the direction of the nearest road to hitch a ride somewhere. Route 4 turns into Pennsylvania Ave further north and runs right into Washington DC (right past the White House).

    Route 4 headed north, connects to the Washington Beltway and from there he could have gone west to Virginia, or east to Annapolis, or north to Baltimore. But instead, he is laying in the woods with pneumonia. Perhaps he did not arrive at this junction untill very late at night and there were no cars traveling by to pick him up. He was tired and sick and went into the woods to sleep until morning....?

    If he actually was from the area, he would have known that the County Seat of Prince Georges County, MD - Upper Marlboro - was only about a mile or two east of the place he was found. So, either he actually was a stranger in the area and did not realize how close he was to town and possible shelter - Or he was intentionally avoiding the town. Either explanation could indicate that he had recently (probably the same day) run away from Boys Village.

    Could he have been hiding in the woods because police cars and helicopters were looking for him?

  7. #37
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    northern VA, USA
    Posts
    2,060
    The only problem with the BV explanation is the head of BV in the 1970s has stated that he recalls no such incident and he would have remembered.

    Although, I do like the "maybe he just left BV to go home" explanation.


    side note: if anyone of the genealogy specialists here would like to give me pointers on how to search by first initials of first. middle and last names only please let me know. I'll be more than happy to scour the databases for men with ELT initials born to women in Maryland in 1953-1958

  8. #38
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New England
    Posts
    17,852
    Going back over the information we have: Shalom is the name of a rather well-known rehab center in Miami. I don't know whether it was around yet in 1973. I kind of think so. With indications of drug abuse, that might be a worthwhile path of research.

    If he was hitching rides from a warmer climate, with inadequate clothing, that would be a good way to get pneumonia. Trying to get home before Christmas, maybe? That makes me think if he was reported missing at all, it could be at least a couple of years earlier. I'm going to look at younger kids missing from the northeast...not that there's a lot to go on.

    This kid just makes me want to cry...
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

  9. #39
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    5,075
    It would be nice to know just how many boys entered Boys Village each year, how many ran away, how many were re-apprehended, and how many were simply unaccounted for.

    The former director of Boys Village probably WOULD remember if one of the boys ran away and was immediately found dead near the facility. But, does he remember each and every runaway situation and each boy who left there and just disappeared?

    Boys Village was and is a place where kids come and go daily. Some are there only a day or two, while others are there for a few months. I think it quite possible that one boy could have fallen through the cracks back in 1973.

    Here is a possible scenario: A boy is picked up as a homeless person, possibly for drug possession, or suspected theft. He gives a false name and is put into Boys Village on a weekend when the "B" team is working. A day or two later, he "escapes" by running away and dies of pneumonia, complicated by exposure to cold and wet conditions. All that is left of him at Boys Village is an entry of a false name in a log book. No parents or relatives have even been notified of his location and so they do not report him missing in the area, and do not see any posters distributed locally.

  10. #40
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    northern VA, USA
    Posts
    2,060
    I have had no luck with ex-director. If anyone wants to try him, PM me and I will gladly give you his email address.


  11. #41
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New England
    Posts
    17,852
    If this facility had a problem with boys going missing, the ex-director is not going to tell us. He's got his own a$$ to think of.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

  12. #42
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    northern VA, USA
    Posts
    2,060
    I have a strong suspicion ELT are his initials. I don't think that was just a random occurrence. So, if anyone could help me figure out how to search ancestry.com by just first letters of each name I'd be more than happy to comb through the results.

  13. #43
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Sussex, UK
    Posts
    29
    Such a sad case where a young boy has been dead so long and still has no name. I think the streetkid scenario is likely IMO and agree the drawing looks older than the PM photo- the resemblance is close but it's like he's been aged up a couple of years. I hope he is identified but I worry no one ever even reported him missing. He strikes me as maybe hispanic or... ? Can't put my finger on it, I'm terrible with identifying ethnicity, but I feel the 'white' description might be slightly misleading. I wonder if his photo was circulated round other hospitals in the area/neighbouring states at the time...
    Just Thinking Out Loud

    Just my opinion, of course

  14. #44
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Sussex, UK
    Posts
    29
    Maybe Mexican?
    Just Thinking Out Loud

    Just my opinion, of course

  15. #45
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    5,075

    Race or ethnicity...

    Quote Originally Posted by JTOL_1984 View Post
    .... He strikes me as maybe hispanic or... ? Can't put my finger on it, I'm terrible with identifying ethnicity, but I feel the 'white' description might be slightly misleading. ...I
    ...
    Back in 1973, there were not as many hispanic folks in Maryland as there are today. However, there has always been a group of people known as "Wesorts". They are said to be descendants of the origional Native American people known as Piscataway Indians who intermarried with peoples of black, white, and mixed blood. This boy may be one of them.

Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 ... LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. MD MD - Kanika Powell, 28, Upper Marlboro, 29 Aug 2008
    By always reading in forum Cold Cases
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 03-23-2017, 01:27 PM
  2. Found Safe MD - Boy, 1 week old, Upper Marlboro, 17 May 2016
    By los2188 in forum Located Persons Discussion
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-18-2016, 03:13 AM
  3. Found Deceased MD - Lubin Phipps, 80, Upper Marlboro, 18 Sept 2015
    By los2188 in forum Located Persons Discussion
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-17-2015, 06:28 PM

Tags for this Thread