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    CA - North Hollywood, WhtFem 783UFCA, 22-32, webbed toes, Jun'78 Rebecca J Wilenius

    The LA County Coroner has posted to NamUs a Facial reconstruction for this 1978 Jane Doe Case.


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    NamUs UP Case 4426 https://identifyus.org/cases/4426



    Unidentified White Female

    * The victim was discovered on June 23, 1978 in Los Angeles County, California
    * Estimated Date of Death: 1978

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 22-32 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'6"; 115 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Red/Auburn hair; hazel/green eyes. The second and third toes on each foot are webbed together to the last joint. Decedent has given birth in the past.
    * Clothing: 1 silver band with orange color trim, 1 yellow metal floral design ring. Navy blue jacket with red linning, medium size. Light blue jeans with red, white and blue horizontal stripes on rear pockets. Medium brown leather boots, size 6 or 7. Black short sleeve pullover blouse with pink floral design.
    * Fingerprints: Available
    * Dentals: Available

    Case History
    The victim was located on a remote hillside in the north Hollywood are of Los Angeles County, California on June 23, 1978.
    The victim died of strangulation and suffocation.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 04-05-2013 at 11:04 PM. Reason: updated doe network link

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2844dfca.html

    What do you think about this one? Never posted a link before so I hope this works!!
    Last edited by belfastgirl73; 01-19-2011 at 09:51 PM. Reason: link broken.

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    Or this girl?
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/350dfon.html

    For the doe On the listing it states Green/Hazel Eyes yet on the sketch it states blue eyes! I wonder which one is correct?

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    I wonder if she could be a victim of Rodney James Alcala?

    Here is his WS Sub Forum: Alcala and the Unidentified - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 12-29-2014 at 07:30 PM. Reason: Fixed bad link

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKnowley View Post
    I wonder if she could be a victim of Rodney James Alcala?

    Here is his WS Sub Forum: Alcala and the Unidentified - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
    I was thinking of the hillside stranglers (Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono). But Alcala's M.O. was strangulation also.

    Both Alcala and Bianchi/Buono operated in the San Fernando Valley (Where North Hollywood is located) during 1978.

    However, they typically left their victims naked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I was thinking of the hillside stranglers (Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono). But Alcala's M.O. was strangulation also.

    Both Alcala and Bianchi/Buono operated in the San Fernando Valley (Where North Hollywood is located) during 1978.

    However, they typically left their victims naked.
    That was the right timeframe for the Hillside Stranglers, but there was also a photographer William Bradford, who was also operating in the Valley/L.A. at the time and killing women too...
    This is the year to locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin NamUs MP#876 and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff NamUs MP#6410 and bring them home to their families!

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    You are right, Alcala left his victims nude and severely beaten, also.
    Could there be details about this Jane Doe that they haven't released to the public?

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I was thinking of the hillside stranglers (Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono). But Alcala's M.O. was strangulation also.

    Both Alcala and Bianchi/Buono operated in the San Fernando Valley (Where North Hollywood is located) during 1978.

    However, they typically left their victims naked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfastgirl73 View Post
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2844dfca.html

    Marilyn Denise Waltz


    What do you think about this one? Never posted a link before so I hope this works!!
    Quote Originally Posted by belfastgirl73 View Post
    Or this girl?
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/350dfon.html

    Mary Francis Gregory


    For the doe On the listing it states Green/Hazel Eyes yet on the sketch it states blue eyes! I wonder which one is correct?
    I saw Marilyn Waltz on my screen earlier, and thought she looked like a fairly decent possible. I hadn't considered Mary Gregory, but she also fits reasonably close to the description.

    I also was looking at Mary Stuart.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/images/s/stuart_mary.jpg

    I decided against Mary Stuart because the circumstances of her disappearing in Northern California with her car abandoned in the woods and groceries on the seat didn't seem to jibe with her being dumped on a hillside in the San Fernando Valley.

    None of the three have a close enough resemblance to Jane Doe though IMO, and I don't see any indication that Mary Gregory or Marilyn Waltz had children (although they might have neglected to mention it).
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    I thought Mary Gregory looked most like the reconstruction - cheeks and chin as well as nose looked quite similar to me BUT i'm very, very new at this and on a steep learning curve!!

    Feel free to correct me, disagree with me, advise me, assist me etc; - it's all appreciated! I've had a keen interest in missing persons since I was a teenager. I have only very recently discovered websleuths and become a member so I'm not very "clued in" just yet.

    JMHO

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    What about Elizabeth Mary Byron?

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/853dfca.html

    I know the age is off a bit but i just wondered
    Last edited by dizzigirl1; 05-11-2013 at 05:39 AM. Reason: added comment about age


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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzigirl1 View Post
    What about Elizabeth Mary Byron?

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/853dfca.html

    I know the age is off a bit but i just wondered
    She looks pretty close in other respects though. Could be.



    ETA: The NamUs casefile indicates Hazel/Green eyes. But the drawing indicates "Blue eyes".

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    I think Connie Gail Minchaca looks very much like this Jane.
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ca_connie.html
    No mention of webbed toes on Connie, but all other demographics fit, especially the complexions..Connie went missing June 9th, 1978 from Napa, CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadeaBecBec View Post
    I think Connie Gail Minchaca looks very much like this Jane.
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ca_connie.html
    No mention of webbed toes on Connie, but all other demographics fit, especially the complexions..Connie went missing June 9th, 1978 from Napa, CA.

    They really do look similar. I wonder if the two have been compared?

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    I agree re Connie. I had her & Elizabeth up yesterday flicking between the 3 screens & the only reason why i didn't add her was because of the hair & eye colour. Now they are both up Connie does look more likely but there is still something about Elizabeth i can't put my finger on. I found this thread yesterday looking for matches to CAve Junction Annie Doe.

    I hope this doesn't sound silly asking but do eyes return to blue in death like they can change from when we are babies?

    Being relatively new, should we submit either of these women to see if we have identified this woman & help her family? Its mothers day here today in Oz. Just makes me think of their families.

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    Elizabeth is not listed in NamUs.

    Connie is in NamUs, and she has a DNA profile.

    The UID has a DNA profile, but it is insufficient for profiling, so it wouldn't appear that either of them can be ruled out by virtue of the absence of a CODIS hit.

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