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    UK - Keith Bennett, 12, Longsight, Manchester, 16 June 1964 - Moors Murders

    Some of you may remember the case of the Moors Murderers, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, both have died but the graves of some of their victims have never been located.
    in their later years Hindley and Brady wrote to each other in their respective institutions. It is now believed that the letters from Brady to Hindley conatined some coded clues as to the whereabouts of the graves.
    Hindley tried to use her knowledge to seek parole (both died in prison) but her searches of Saddleworth moor proved fruitless and just prolonged the agony of parents who have had to live with this for 30+ years.

    The BBc is screening a documentary this week which attempts to solve the msytery. I can only hope this will have a good outcome. I will keep you posted.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/3649958.stm

    Well having accessed the the above website I got nearly every detail wrong, sorry about that.
    Last edited by Hugh; 09-13-2004 at 04:43 AM. Reason: Crap information

    'England confides that every man will do his duty'".

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    Hugh i remember that case very well. wasn't there a book, "beyond belief"? that case was right out of arthur conan doyle, and reminiscent of hound of the baskervilles for horror and evil. now i need to go back and read your link, i did not know hindley and brady had died. wish i could see the documentary. note...looks like brady still alive.

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    Goodness- these are he scariest child-killers ever. I am only going to watch the documenary if my partner is back in time. (he's away working), otherwise I'll be scared on my own! I'm serious, its the woman- Myra who scares me. Theres something about her face............Shes dead now thank goodness. Thank you for posting this.

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    The Moors murders have always intrigued me esp.
    So little(if at all) is mentioned about it here in the States(I found out about it back when I was a teenage punk and heard Myra Hindley mentioned in a Sex Pistols song )
    Is it "forgotten" in the U.K too?



    Didn't they tape record the murders in the name of "art"????


    Absolutely chilling!
    I too wish I could see the docu.
    Oh well! Im off to find the book DL mentioned!!!




    In a way it's a shame this horrific case is so obscure.
    The saints are the sinners who keep trying...

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    http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial4/...moorsindex.htm


    Some more interesting reading on this case.

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    Messie

    No it is never ever forgotton, that is why they managed to keep Hydley in till the day she died.
    DL has the title it is "Beyond Belief" by Emlyn Williams.
    A few years ago they were interviewing a policeman who was on the case and he still said after so many years he could hardly contain his anger and sorrow.
    Yes they did tape the children, highly unusually the prosecution did not play most of the tapes in court and they have never been released. Think about thois for a second in this modern world where we are used to shocking audio and video every day, these are considered too shocking.

    I was very remiss in a previous post, Brady is still alive. police want to search his cell to determine whether the pictures he has up of him and Hindley on Saddleworth moor may be coded clues as to the whereabouts of the body of Keith Bennett. They are being told it is against his "Human" rights. Some times I get so depressed about this world, what about Keiths parents rights to bury the son taken from them.

    'England confides that every man will do his duty'".

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    Well, I watched the programme last night and was so angry I could barely speak.

    The programme was based around photos that Myra and Ian had taken before they were arrested. There was one particular photo that showed Myra, in a seeming innocent photo, on Saddleworth Moors, holding a dog, looking at the ground.

    Myra later admitted that this was, in fact, her standing over a childs grave that they had murdered. She CLAIMS that Ian MADE her do it and she had no idea.

    There were many other photos and one or 2 in particular showed Myra in similar poses- looking down at the ground on Saddleworth Moors. When in jail, Myra was so desperate to get hold of these photos she wrote her mother 5, 6 ,7 times begging for them back, saying "Ian really wants them" and even saying that Ian had threatened her if she didn't get them to him.

    They now think that they were both so desperate to get these photos back because they depict Myra on graves as well, and they could help find a childs grave that is still missing. (Keith Bennet).

    There is obviously no point talking to Ian about this as he is a psychopath and has never really helped in trying to locate this childs body. Myra, still insists that Ian forced her into the whole thing,(even though tape recordings exist of her torturing a child) and anyway shes dead. Keith's poor mother is obviously desperate for him to be laid to rest, and I have read before that she often goes up to the moors and looks for Keith's body. I just really felt for her- the pain must be indescribable.

    Two things really struck me about this documentary. First was that it was the first time I had heard Myra's voice (they played some tapes of her talking about what she said happened). She sounded like a kindly old northern woman, and it was a shock. Of course the adult me knows that most paedophiles and murderers just look, and sound like normal people. But I think I thought I would somehow know instinctively that this person had killed children, just by her voice. But I didn't. She sounded "normal" and it was a real shock.

    The second was a statement from the police saying that although they were investigating that these photos might lead them to the remains of Keith Bennett, they had difficulty in proceeding. Why? Because ,as Hugh said ,they were refused a warrant to search Ian Bradeys cell on the grounds that it would INVADE HIS HUMAN RIGHTS!!

    This made me SO ANGRY. What rights??!! He's in jail- so by definition, has none. He murdered children, so by definition he has none. I was so angry and just really felt for little Keith's brother and mother.

    They are still investigating the photos, but who knows what will come of it. It was said that Ian thinks he's "won" because he still has never given up the secret the Keith's grave site. I was so furious.

    Here is little Keiths "Doe" page http://doenetwork.us/cases/807dmuk.html

    And Messiecake, this case is notorious over here- Hugh is right. Neither Hindley nor Brady could ever have been released. Say either of their names to any gerneration and they will KNOW what you're talking about. It will never be forgotten- and its been over 30 years.
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    Hi emma.. thank you for the report on that show.. I wish we had been able to see it here in Canada... I will watch for it.

    It is obscene that they could not violate his 'human rights' this whole law needs to be reviewed to protect the victims. I understand they have to stay inside boundries so cases in court aren't jeapordized.. but come on! a basic search of the grounds?

    Anyway.. thanx for letting us know about it... I will check out that doe site.

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    Documentary

    Hi Emma, I saw it too and feel the same, every time the flashed up a picture of those poor children !!
    Worst than Myra I thought was Brady's statement to his shrink, "You want to know where they are, I know where they are, and I'm not telling, I've won"
    Time for an assisted suicide methinks.
    I keep thinking that somehow with the technology available to us (just watch things like Time Team) where they can discover outlines and traces of graves from 1000's of years ago we could somehow help Keiths Mother find her poor little boy.

    'England confides that every man will do his duty'".

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    his human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh
    police want to search his cell to determine whether the pictures he has up of him and Hindley on Saddleworth moor may be coded clues as to the whereabouts of the body of Keith Bennett. They are being told it is against his "Human" rights. Some times I get so depressed about this world, what about Keiths parents rights to bury the son taken from them.
    excuse me, but isn't this guy in prison aren't search and siezures routine in prison
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    excuse me, but isn't this guy in prison aren't search and siezures routine in prison
    yes...in America anyway, there is no expectation of privacy...cells are subject to search at any time.

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    My sister in law was supposed to have recorded this for me so I'll eventually get to see it -it sounds riveting!


    I firmly belive the pictures are "pointing" to burial sites-I hope now theyve been shown in public it will lead to some investigating!



    Its funny how the police in England can search your house w/out a warrant (provided theres 'probable cause') but an inmate's cell cannot be searched!!!!!
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    Isn't it! My partner was saying during the programme, "you realise the police could come into this (totally innocent) flat right now and search us and take us to jail to be questioned. But they can't search a convicted multiple-murderers cell. "

    Its scary, and repulsive to me

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    Emma

    I think at the latest count there are some 20+ agencies that can enter your house, these include, Police, MI5, MI6, British Gas, Electricity companies, Phone companies, water companies, Inland Revenue, VAT inspectors, Social Security, local council etc, etc,etc.

    What a weird country we sometimes live in!

    'England confides that every man will do his duty'".

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    http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006480529,00.html

    Link to article where Myra Hindley is depicted as a saint - sick!

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