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    Hailey is 13 years old. She was heading to stay with a friend on Monday Dec. 27th but never made it. She is 5'1" with hazel eyes and brown hair. She also has pierced ears. She was last seen at 1804 Chestnut, wearing navy blue sweat pants, a light colored T-shirt and pink and white shoes.
    Anyone who has seen Hailey contact the Colorado City Police Dept. at 325-128-5294

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    So when does a case warrant their own forum? What are the parameters? IIRC Gabriel Johnson had a forum by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Flashlight View Post
    So when does a case warrant their own forum? What are the parameters? IIRC Gabriel Johnson had a forum by now.
    Here's Kimster's response to a forum request (from thread #36)


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    No forum at this time.

    Forums require even more mod support. That isn't going to happen until we see more responsible posting in this case. The same problems happened with the Somer Thompson threads and it took a long time before we could prepare a forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Mist View Post
    Here's Kimster's response to a forum request (from thread #36)
    Ok I see but what does she mean by responsible posts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Flashlight View Post
    Ok I see but what does she mean by responsible posts?
    TBH, there's too many posts violating forum rules: sleuthing folks that shouldn't be sleuthed, posting links to minors, posting minors' names, bickering, baiting, bashing LE, going OT, name-calling, posting w/o links, discussing rumors that were "put to rest", etc.

    Mods spend their time cleaning up the thread - many (hopefully most all) posts in violation are removed so it may not seem as problematic as it is.

    That said, responsible posting means following the rules while discussing the case.

    HTH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Mist View Post
    TBH, there's too many posts violating forum rules: sleuthing folks that shouldn't be sleuthed, posting links to minors, posting minors' names, bickering, baiting, bashing LE, going OT, name-calling, posting w/o links, discussing rumors that were "put to rest", etc.

    Mods spend their time cleaning up the thread - many (hopefully most all) posts in violation are removed so it may not seem as problematic as it is.

    That said, responsible posting means following the rules while discussing the case.

    HTH.
    I totally understand the reasons, and agree with your assessment, but IMO, if there was a thread for "pings" a thread for "the earrings" a thread for "what the hairdresser saw", etc., it might reduce the amount of "rehashing" of things that have been cleared up time after time, in thread after thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Mist View Post
    TBH, there's too many posts violating forum rules: sleuthing folks that shouldn't be sleuthed, posting links to minors, posting minors' names, bickering, baiting, bashing LE, going OT, name-calling, posting w/o links, discussing rumors that were "put to rest", etc.

    Mods spend their time cleaning up the thread - many (hopefully most all) posts in violation are removed so it may not seem as problematic as it is.

    That said, responsible posting means following the rules while discussing the case.

    HTH.
    Thank you for helping us to understand the delay in getting a forum for Hailey!

    I don't want to sound argumentative or disrespectful, but I do agree that part of the problem with re-hashing old leads which have been discounted is that day after day, we have people coming to the forum who may not have been able to read every single post on every thread. They may mention an old lead or ask about it, someone else sees their post and repeats the lead as fact, then regulars attempt to answer the first poster's question. Bickering inevitably ensues. It really is no one poster's fault, just a lack of an organized way to access information.

    There are facts about sensitive issues such as BD's parenting and lifestyle around the kids and CCPD's handling of Hailey's case which could be discussed more responsibly on both sides of each issue. The line between discussing these facts as they affect the case and bashing simply to complain or harshly condemn is sometimes blurry. The alternative would be not to discuss these issues at all. I think it would be helpful if mods could help us understand how "bashing" would be defined so that we could still acknowledge the issues without all of the drama.

    I know that it would be very helpful if we could all remember to be very clear when posting an opinion so that it can't be confused with stating a fact. The easiest way for me is to always put "My Opinion Only" or "Just Speculating" unless I am stating a proven fact. I know we all really want a new forum, and I am willing to do whatever I can to help anyone new to learn the ropes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
    Law Enforcement Investigating New Out-Of-State Lead In The Search For Hailey Dunn

    Pete Kampfer told KTXS Sunday, they are following a lead in Memphis, Tennessee. Kampfer said he wasn not able to tell us anymore, except that they are looking into the lead.

    http://www.ktxs.com/news/26590286/detail.html
    Posters need to be put out if they have any faith in this lead. Memphis is a long way from CC and unless they are big NG fans or sleuthers they probably have not even heard about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnoliaMom View Post
    Posters need to be put out if they have any faith in this lead. Memphis is a long way from CC and unless they are big NG fans or sleuthers they probably have not even heard about this.
    I know. I never hear about anything until after nancy gets ahold of it. But if she doesnt then some cases dont even get attention. (Samantha Clark 4example)

    why would they mention the tip to the media if it didnt have any merit? I would think it would have been checked out already, do they mention it the leads to show tips are coming in ?

    I would think they would call for the public to keep their eyes and ears open and encourge the public to hand of flyers and pass nformation along in social media and remind the public of the reward.

    Answer some questions about any changes that may have affected their efforts this far. ect..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnoliaMom View Post
    Posters need to be put out if they have any faith in this lead. Memphis is a long way from CC and unless they are big NG fans or sleuthers they probably have not even heard about this.
    Memphis and Colorado City are a lot closer to each other than Roanoke and San Fransisco were. You can't get much further away from Virginia than California without leaving the country.

    If a woman in California recognizes a missing girl from Virginia...(44 hour drive, 2700 miles) from seeing her once on Nancy Grace, then I'm not going to discount a tip from Memphis about a missing girl in Texas (12 hour drive, 700 miles). Hailey has also gotten more national coverage as well.

    Not to mention, we do not know for sure what this tip is. It may be a tip about SHAWN having a history in this area. Tips in other cases have been about previous assaults and their locations.

    Either way, whether it is a sighting, a possible body location, or a tip about a suspect I see NO reason to discount it because it's 700 miles away. Elizabeth Smart was taken 700 miles away too. It only takes watching Nancy one time. Or stumbling on the story online.

    Taken from Virginia, found in California. 44 hours, 2700 miles away by a Nancy Grace viewer.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../13/ng.01.html

    SHANLEY: So I went in and asked the clerk to call their local police department, which would be the Richmond station, and she did. She dialed it for me. And I spoke to them and said, you know, there's a young girl out here with a white male from 25 to 35, and she looks to be between the ages of -- I think I said 15 to 18, but she`s young. And it doesn't look right.

    And last night, I'd seen a show on CNN, and there was a woman crying to -- her aunt, asking for him to bring her home for her mother's funeral and for Christmas. And that was first time I had seen her face. And her brown eyes is what got me. So I said -- as I'm talking with the police officer, I says, I was watching CNN, Nancy Grace, I think it was your show. I just know it was CNN, and that it may be this child from Virginia.

    And the cop even said, Virginia? And I said, yes, there was a murder in Virginia, and the man killed the woman and took the child, and this might be them. I wasn't sure, but my intuition was telling me something's not right here. And sure enough, it was her and him. My intuition was right.


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    http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=334376

    ME mom speaks out.
    MB received a text message that said "what are you doing?"

    She says the message was sent from Hailey's mother's cell phone at about 2 o'clock, which Hailey always used, but G says she worries that there is no evidence to prove Hailey sent that message.


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    Quote Originally Posted by concernedmother View Post
    http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=334376

    ME mom speaks out.
    MB received a text message that said "what are you doing?"

    She says the message was sent from Hailey's mother's cell phone at about 2 o'clock, which Hailey always used, but G says she worries that there is no evidence to prove Hailey sent that message.
    Well, isn't this interesting timing of her speaking out. But I wish she'd answered the million dollar question - why didn't MB respond?? Why was there no response to that text from the good ole friend?? That's what I want to know....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnoliaMom View Post
    Posters need to be put out if they have any faith in this lead. Memphis is a long way from CC and unless they are big NG fans or sleuthers they probably have not even heard about this.
    I not sure I have faith in this lead But I hope it pan out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnoliaMom View Post
    Posters need to be put out if they have any faith in this lead. Memphis is a long way from CC and unless they are big NG fans or sleuthers they probably have not even heard about this.
    Obviously I am in Memphis...just got home and haven't heard anything about a Memphis connection.
    Excuse me if this has already been cleared up.
    Just replying to the first page of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    Redcat, do you happen to remember on your first post, you wrote that it was widely believed that Hailey left with an older boyfriend...where you heard this, or why this might have been the initial idea of people in town? I know it does not seem at all likely now, just wondering, thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by redcat View Post
    That was the "word on the street" at that time...but that quickly faded out with no evidence.
    I believe cz had mentioned that the boy was found, interviewed, and determined not to be involved, IIRC...
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    With regard to BD's polygraph, I went back to the NG transcript from the night that she announced that both she and SA had failed. Here was her answer about what questions were asked...

    GRACE: OK, Billie Dunn -- everyone, with us is Hailey`s mother. What questions did they ask you? What`d they ask you?

    BILLIE DUNN: They asked if I knew anything about the disappearance of Hailey, if I caused the disappearance of Hailey, and if there were any questions I was scared that he was going to ask me.


    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../06/ng.01.html


    Are those seriously the only three questions that LE would have asked her?


    Anyway, I've always believed that a parent should not be asked whether they are responsible for or caused the disappearance of their child because that really can be taken a number of ways and any parent is going to feel that they are responsible for it if they were not there when the child went missing. Failing on that question should be easily explained.

    There had to be a lot more questions right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    With regard to BD's polygraph, I went back to the NG transcript from the night that she announced that both she and SA had failed. Here was her answer about what questions were asked...

    GRACE: OK, Billie Dunn -- everyone, with us is Hailey`s mother. What questions did they ask you? What`d they ask you?

    BILLIE DUNN: They asked if I knew anything about the disappearance of Hailey, if I caused the disappearance of Hailey, and if there were any questions I was scared that he was going to ask me.


    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../06/ng.01.html


    Are those seriously the only three questions that LE would have asked her?


    Anyway, I've always believed that a parent should not be asked whether they are responsible for or caused the disappearance of their child because that really can be taken a number of ways and any parent is going to feel that they are responsible for it if they were not there when the child went missing. Failing on that question should be easily explained.

    There had to be a lot more questions right?
    I would fail on the last one for sure if I said no. LDT I would think are scary.jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by belimom View Post
    I believe cz had mentioned that the boy was found, interviewed, and determined not to be involved, IIRC...
    I think CZ was talking about the 13 yr old boy from the neighboring town.

    I don't remember her ever mentioning an 'older' boyfriend. But I don't think there was an older boyfrriend, I think it was unfounded gossip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    I think CZ was talking about the 13 yr old boy from the neighboring town.

    I don't remember her ever mentioning an 'older' boyfriend. But I don't think there was an older boyfrriend, I think it was unfounded gossip.
    I think he was about 15 or 16...? That's the same 'boy' that cz talked about, IIRC. I think the 13-yr-old BF was local, but that is just my opinion from looking at the social sites, though.

    ETA: I re-read your post. I agree - I don't think the 15 or 16 yr old was a BF, but just a loose acquaintance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SNOWINMEMPHIS View Post
    Obviously I am in Memphis...just got home and haven't heard anything about a Memphis connection.
    Excuse me if this has already been cleared up.
    Just replying to the first page of this thread.
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    I find the changes in Hailey's time last seen, where she was and what she was doing, and what she was last wearing utterly fascinating.

    I keep going through them over and over, as if they're going to tell me something. It's like something is in the back of my mind about those changes, and just won't come forward, and it's driving me crazy.

    Do we have any other significant (or even seemingly insignificant) events for Jan 4, 5, or 6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    I find the changes in Hailey's time last seen, where she was and what she was doing, and what she was last wearing utterly fascinating.

    I keep going through them over and over, as if they're going to tell me something. It's like something is in the back of my mind about those changes, and just won't come forward, and it's driving me crazy.

    Do we have any other significant (or even seemingly insignificant) events for Jan 4, 5, or 6?
    Hmmm...the 5th is when SA left allegedly. So things may have started shifting then b/c BD somehow veered off script and caused SA to have to get questioned about things he wasn't prepared to answer. She claims she made him leave but perhaps he really left in a huff b/c she was screwing it up for the both of them. Hence, her wiffle/waffle back and forth all over the place every since trying to say anything to get back in his good graces.


    All pure speculation on my part, just an idea, nothing to back this up, take it how ever you see fit.

    Adding this thought.....CZ was posting into the late hours of the 5th and early hours of the 6th that BD was with police being questioned. IMO, to keep her out that late questioning her, she had to be saying something.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNOWINMEMPHIS View Post
    Obviously I am in Memphis...just got home and haven't heard anything about a Memphis connection.
    Excuse me if this has already been cleared up.
    Just replying to the first page of this thread.
    Hi Snow...we musta been thinking and typing at the same time! I have looked at all local news all day...nothing broadcast, nothing in the paper and nothing on the net locally. That is so unfortunate, as being a major transportion hub for the US...especially, for all the truck stops in the Memphis and Mid South area, broadcasting this would be SO important to me. Not just for truck drivers, but for many private citizens that stop at these locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kappy50 View Post
    Hi Snow...we musta been thinking and typing at the same time! I have looked at all local news all day...nothing broadcast, nothing in the paper and nothing on the net locally. That is so unfortunate, as being a major transportion hub for the US...especially, for all the truck stops in the Memphis and Mid South area, broadcasting this would be SO important to me. Not just for truck drivers, but for many private citizens that stop at these locations.
    Hi Snow and kappy...I was born and lived many many many years in the Big M Town myself.

    SA is close to my son's age, and I went so far as to ask DS if he'd ever heard of folks dealing in masks, scary movie reenactments, etc. over in the Memphis area. He said no. (Funny how after two years of me being on WS he has ceased to act surprised when I ask him this stuff).

    I mentioned last night about West Memphis and Cordova...the truck stops in West Memphis and Cordova leaving out of Memphis. They would indeed be excellent places to put up flyers! That would definitely get the word out in all directions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by my_tee_mouse View Post
    Hi Snow and kappy...I was born and lived many many many years in the Big M Town myself.

    SA is close to my son's age, and I went so far as to ask DS if he'd ever heard of folks dealing in masks, scary movie reenactments, etc. over in the Memphis area. He said no. (Funny how after two years of me being on WS he has ceased to act surprised when I ask him this stuff).

    I mentioned last night about West Memphis and Cordova...the truck stops in West Memphis and Cordova leaving out of Memphis. They would indeed be excellent places to put up flyers! That would definitely get the word out in all directions.
    I have lived in Cordova for 21 years and I have a lot of connections in West Memphis, which is a huge hub for going in any direction.
    I will see if I can get some flyers out to these places as soon as possible.
    Nowadays there is quite a large underground subculture of macabre local bands and a dark (not goth) murderabilia crowd in Memphis.
    I am left to wonder if SA has connections here.
    She could be suffering but yet alive, like Elizabeth Smart.
    Praying she is found alive and safe!!!

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