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    UK - Joanna Yeates Clifton, Bristol, 17 December 2010 - #11

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    Hoorah! Thanks Salem.

    And, for the first time in weeks, Sky's look at tomorrow's newspapers produces no mention of new Yeates articles, though I'm sure there will be - just not splashed across the front page.

    And greetings again to all the thread mainstays, and an encouragement to WS guests to sign on and favor us with your thoughts on the matter.

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    The satirical site Anorak takes a poke at the Daily Mail's coverage of the case:

    How Joanna Yeates Became A Daily Mail Parlour Game

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    THE man accused of strangling Jo Yeates had never been arrested before, it was revealed yesterday.
    VT was of “good character” in his native Holland and the UK.

    Prosecutors at VT’s bail hearing successfully applied to remand him in custody pending his trial for the murder of 25-year-old landscape architec

    But they did not suggest there was a risk of him offending or that he was a danger to the public.

    Prosecutor Ann Reddrop told Bristol Crown Court: “To be fair to him he is a man of good character both in this country and, as I understand, in Holland.

    “The grounds for applying for a remand in custody are failing to surrender and interfering with the course of justice.’’

    VT’s lawyer Paul Cook did not make a bail application but is free to do so at a later date.

    Mr Justice Treacy adjourned the case until a preliminary hearing on Monday and remanded VT in custody.
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...ean-rap-sheet/
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    The Sun provided a bit of inessential - but interesting, if true - info today:

    VT, 32, is furious that police seeking evidence have taken away his specs for forensic tests.

    Officers gave him a replacement pair but the Dutchman complained they were poor quality and he could not see who was speaking to him at the hearing.

    VT family spokesman PV said: "He was taken to court as almost a blind man."
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...d-in-dock.html
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    The Sun (again):

    Tabak jail switch over attack fears

    Vincent Tabak had spent less than 24 hours in jail in Bristol before the 30-mile switch to Gloucester.

    A source told The Sun: "It was decided to move him for his own good. There are a lot of local people in Bristol Prison and he could have been at risk because feelings locally are running high."

    The switch took place after Tabak, 32, made his second court appearance in two days. Prosecutor Ann Reddrop formally applied for the bespectacled Dutchman to be remanded in custody by Bristol Crown Court. Lanky architectural engineer Tabak did not apply for bail. He looked pale and tired, and has not yet entered a plea.
    a bit more at link above

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    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ack-fears.html

    Tabak Jail Switch Over Attack Fears

    THE man accused of murdering Jo Yeates was moved to a different prison yesterday amid fears for his safety.

    Vincent Tabak had spent less than 24 hours in jail in Bristol before the 30-mile switch to Gloucester.

    A source told The Sun: "It was decided to move him for his own good. There are a lot of local people in Bristol Prison and he could have been at risk because feelings locally are running high."
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    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22875954/

    Family of Jo Yeates murder accused Vincent Tabak to fly to Britain to see him in jail

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    he Tabak family’s spokesman, Paul Vermeij, said they want to make sure he is coping in jail. He said: “They haven’t decided who will go across as they are all professional people but they want to see him, of course.”

    Tabak, from Eindhoven, was too terrified to leave his cell on his first night in prison, after a court appearance on Monday.
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    Any ideas why:

    1. NUA did not request bail?

    2. Why his GF did not show up in court twice for his appearances?



    http://www.tntmagazine.com/tnt-today...ot-bailed.aspx

    Jo Yeates murder: Vincent Tabak not bailed

    "I shall not grant Mr Tabak bail as there has not been a bail application. Mr Tabak will be remanded into custody until the next hearing, which is the preliminary hearing on January 31.

    

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    Tabak’s girlfriend has said she will stand by him and swears that he is innocent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patticake View Post
    Any ideas why:

    1. Tabak did not request bail?

    2. Why his GF did not shi=ow up in court twice for his appearances?
    Interesting indeed VT did not apply for bail - perhaps because he would have no place to go - 44 Canynge Road being out, and friend EW's place certainly as well? I would assume he would not be allowed to leave the country if he were bailed.

    As for GF, I'm almost convinced that the couple had broken up and she was coaxed back aboard as a team solidarity thing after VT's arrest.

    As always, not sure of anything though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Hoorah! Thanks Salem.

    And, for the first time in weeks, Sky's look at tomorrow's newspapers produces no mention of new Yeates articles, though I'm sure there will be - just not splashed across the front page.

    And greetings again to all the thread mainstays, and an encouragement to WS guests to sign on and favor us with your thoughts on the matter.

    Oh Brilliant wfgodot, we got a new thread, and your right, its very quiet on the Western front, so we will wait for things to come....
    And thanks to Salem too for all the hard work.

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    I think at this point what I'm wondering most is when (if?) CJ will have his status as a suspect dropped.

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    Any ideas why:

    1. Tabak did not request bail?

    2. Why his GF did not show up in court twice for his appearances?

    Hi Patticake

    Re: the two questions above

    I've been left to draw my own conclusions

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    As for GF, I'm almost convinced that the couple had broken up...
    Her father and one of NUA's sisters have both stated they are still a couple. Do you really dispute that?

    Ukers, I am getting the impression that our NUA is not being defiled by the public or media over there. Isn't that unusual in a murder case?

    Very odd for the Prosecutor to say: “To be fair to him he is a man of good character both in this country and, as I understand, in Holland."

    How long till he gets a dream legal team from London to represent him, I wonder? I'm thinking his present solicitor will only be doing the preliminaries.

    Anyhow, it's good to have a new thread. I admittedly had a bit of withdrawal today but got loads of work done.
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    http://www.cityjournalistdirectory.c...ecution_11469/

    As the case stands at this point in time it is mostly based on speculation, but something (we do not know what) seems not right about this prosecution. It could be the lack of DNA evidence. It could be the lack of a confession of guilt. It could be that the murder was not legally murder and is in fact manslaughter. There are just so many anomalies and what ifs.

    
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    Incidentally, as there have been a number of questions over the Yeates threads regarding the role of dogs in the search for JY (the last being, I think, if cadaver dogs would be able to hit on the scent of a frozen body), I would like to draw attention to a new WS thread started by sarx, a verified WS expert on the matter (and with help from the equally qualified Oriah, and others), as a resource for such questions:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125709"]K9 SAR Questions & Answers - Ask the Pros! - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by enqueteur View Post
    Her father and one of NUA's sisters have both stated they are still a couple. Do you really dispute that?
    That's why I thought it odd that the GF did not show up at either hearing. She is in Bristol so why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patticake View Post
    Any ideas why:
    1. NUA did not request bail?
    2. Why his GF did not show up in court twice for his appearances?
    I have been wondering exactly the same things. I also wonder why his glasses were taken as evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enqueteur View Post
    Her father and one of NUA's sisters have both stated they are still a couple. Do you really dispute that?

    Anyhow, it's good to have a new thread. I admittedly had a bit of withdrawal today but got loads of work done.
    I've little doubt they are now "a couple" but am wondering if there were not an interregnum in their "couplehood," so to speak. Perhaps? Also, as Patticake states above, it was a bit odd that gf was not in court.

    Agreed heartily about withdrawal symptoms, not only in my case but I'm sure in the cases of many - and once again let me praise the thread for superb analysis and discourse, at their best of course when deployed in a crisp and friendly manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patticake View Post
    That's why I thought it odd that the GF did not show up at either hearing. She is in Bristol so why not?

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    As I see it, the media has claimed her father and VT's sister avowed they were still a couple

    Absences from the hearings however, appear to speak for themselves. The GF and her family (in fact anyone following the case) would be aware that had she attended the hearings in support of VT, then this alone would confirm the claims of the media re: their still being a couple and re: the GF's 'vowing to stand by him'. Conversely, the GF's non-attendance at the hearings speaks volumes. And I've seen nothing in the media as explanation for the GF's absence. Therefore, the public is left to draw its own conclusions, as I'm guessing, was the intention

    Also, if she has provided information to LE and/or is to be called as witness for the prosecution, then she could not/would not attend the hearings lest it be construed she was in some way supporting VT

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    *Dusts off jacket & returns to the fray !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by squid View Post
    I have been wondering exactly the same things. I also wonder why his glasses were taken as evidence?
    Its possible dna or hair fibres can get caught in the hinges which would provide strong evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer View Post
    Its possible dna or hair fibres can get caught in the hinges which would provide strong evidence.
    There's that, certainly

    Also, if the glasses are in any way unique, they might be used to confirm VT within some of the cctv footage gathered by LE ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    I think at this point what I'm wondering most is when (if?) CJ will have his status as a suspect dropped.
    Possibly not until after VT's trial or even after that if found not guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserdisc10 View Post
    There's that, certainly

    Also, if the glasses are in any way unique, they might be used to confirm VT within some of the cctv footage gathered by LE ?
    If he touched those glasses after handling JY they could still be smothered in her DNA ?? We dont know what happend or in fact if anything happend between VT & JY', but we are presuming going by the arrest & charge the LE believe something did happen. The glasses may of been filthy & thats why they took them.
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