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    Was Burke a Victim of Sexual Abuse?

    Strong forensic evidence exists that JonBenet Ramsey had been chronically sexually abused. The question to answer, of course, is by WHOM? The list of possible suspects able to get to JonBenet multiple times would be very limited. So could it have been Burke who had been molesting JonBenet?

    It's generally known that when children have been sexually abused, they often will later become sexual abusers themselves. But what evidence is there that Burke had ever been sexually abused?

    Circumstantial evidence of sexual abuse to Burke having occurred does exist, although it is not strong. It exists in the form of written correspondence to a private party, a copy of which is reportedly in the hands of the police, but has never been released. I saw a copy of the correspondence, which has been cautiously circulated, and read it myself.

    The correspondence states that Burke may have been sexually abused as a toddler, and it could have led to why at age 3 he would sit on the floor and openly play with himself. Patsy reportedly allowed him to continue so as not to "stigmatize" him. Also, Nedra reportedly had said that Burke was "mature" for his age.

    The correspondence stated that Burke liked to be alone or with only one other person at a time. He particularly liked Aunt Pam and when he was with her he would order anyone else who entered the room to get out.

    The correspondence revealed the early suspected molestation may have been the result of a close non-family member regularly treating toddler Burke by massaging him for an "itch" caused by circumcision. The family of the person reportedly doing the massaging, according to the correspondence, allegedly has an extensive history of child molestation, although the Ramseys were not aware of this history at the time.

    If the information in this correspondence is credible, then it appears that Burke could have been a victim of child sexual abuse, and therefore a possible incest perpetrator.

    But it's all JUST MY OPINION based on the information I read in the correspondence (the existence of which can be verified by one or two others in this forum and elsewhere).

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    May I inquire into how long a circumcision would itch? Healing occurs within days,are you implying that he wasn't circumcised at birth but as a toddler? I don't like this story, it reminds me of similar garbage concerning mother's who nurse their sons. IMO

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    My son was circumcised at the age of two, but there were no problems that I recall.

    I've had two caesareans and recall itching both times from the stitches healing. I think it started 3-4 days after surgery and continued for a week or so. I'm working this out from a letter I wrote after I had my first caesarean in which I commented about the itching.
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    Was the family with the history of sexual abuse who had the person who may have abused Burke still friends with the Ramseys at the time of the murder? Would it have been possible for this person or someone from this family to have been involved in sexual abuse of JonBenet? I assume that for legal reasons, the names of these people can't be named, so I just ask if these folks were still around in the "circle".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arielle
    Was the family with the history of sexual abuse who had the person who may have abused Burke still friends with the Ramseys at the time of the murder? Would it have been possible for this person or someone from this family to have been involved in sexual abuse of JonBenet? I assume that for legal reasons, the names of these people can't be named, so I just ask if these folks were still around in the "circle".

    Arielle,

    The answers are NO, and NO, and NO.

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    The possibility of Burke having had sexual contact with JonBenet doesn't hinge on whether Burke had been sexually abused when he was a baby or toddler. It is common for boys around the age Burke was when JonBenet died to experiment with sex by playing "doctor" and the like with girls (and sometimes other boys), even their own siblings.

    Two excerpts from the Globe Nov 24, 1998:

    Shortly after the call and immediately after his attorney friend Mike Bynum told John to get legal
    counsel for himself and Patsy, Burke's dad took the boy into a room for a private meeting.
    Sources say Burke played "doctor" with JonBenet and, according to other sources, showed signs of being
    disturbed when he smeared feces in his bathroom. Injuries to JonBenet's genitals were consistent with
    her being molested by a finger, rather than a penis, say sources, something that experts say might be done
    by a prepubescent boy.


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    One scenario discussed by investigators is that Burke and JonBenet - who, as sources recently told GLOBE, were sometimes caught playing doctor by house guests - were using a garrote in a "choking game" that went too far.

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    I recall reading somewhere early in the case that Linda Hoffman Pugh, the housekeeper, saw the two children under the sheets in Burke's bed on at least one occasion and suspected something sexual was going on. Another time, LHP walked into Burkes bedroom to put some clean clothes into his chest of drawers and Burke and JonBenet were in a blanket tent on the floor. Burke yelled at LHP, "GET OUT!"

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    If I recall correctly in PMPT Hedra was known for making,on more than one occasion,some innapropriate and bizarre coments in regard to Burke's genitals and their size.



    BC,
    Im aware of the letter you speak of and I too belive it to be legit.
    Theres some interesting comments in regard to this subject archived on FFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sissi
    May I inquire into how long a circumcision would itch? Healing occurs within days,are you implying that he wasn't circumcised at birth but as a toddler?


    Sissi,

    The implication by the writer of the correspondence was that the "itch" from the circumcision was merely a ridiculous excuse by the non-family member to massage Burke's private part, and had apparently gone on for some time. This whole alleged episode occurred while the Ramseys lived in Atlanta, prior to moving to Boulder.

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    Jane Stobie reported Nedra often bragged about Burke's genital size.

    JS: "I was sent to Atlanta to manage the supplies division of the company and that division had been headed by Patsy's mother for a number of years. I think it was a nice little business for the family but when Lockheed came to take over Access, they didn't want Patsy's...the family relationships became more difficult, they wanted to do something about the nepotism. I was sent to Atlanta to close the facilities so Nedra and Polly worked for me. That's when I really saw the red flags. That's when my own background with child abuse, that's when I really saw the red flags".

    Mame: "Were they obviously immediatley disfunctional appearing...er, dysfunctional to you"?


    JS: "Yes. Absolutely. I had been warned about taking that job from a number of people, including my boss. They said 'watch out for Nedra, she's really mean' - a lot of people had experiences with her at Access Graphics. She just, she goes into rage".

    Mame: "Did she (go into rages)"?
    JS: "Yes. I personally experienced it. I'll never forget this one day she came to my office, closed the door and it was like a scene from the Exorcist. I started to pray immediately. She came after me with such venom"...

    Mame: "Now, and even then, did you pick up from her, possible sexual abuse going on".

    JS: "I think one of the amazing things was, and this was not told to me directly, it was told to a group of employees there, Nedra and one of her employees were talking to several empoyees about the size of Burke's"...
    http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/02112000mameinterviewjanestobie.htm

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    If the history of this family was ever detailed, I think Nedra would be found to be the locus of the etiology of dysfunction.


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    Right! Jane Stobie was "right on". Heck she knows from her own background of abuse how to spot an abuser! The fact that she could channel Jonbenet was just the neatest gift one could have! She knows who killed Jonbenet for sur'.
    Her background at Access was impeccable, everyone just loved her! Yep, if ever ya got yourself some good information it's now!

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    Nedra may have been flamboyant with what some might consider unorthodox ideas, but I don't think the Paughs were an unusually dysfunctional family. Most of the familes I know could be called dysfunctional in one way or another, including mine. Maybe even especially mine.

    (OT) By the way, BrotherMoon...Watson and Crick were not plagiarists. Even though in England it was considered wrong to work on someone else’s pet project without an invitation, in the U.S. and France it wasn't. Watson, an American, wasn't as bound by this progress-stifling social rule as Crick. At that time, the main DNA research was being done by Maurice Wilkins. His King’s College associate, Rosalind Franklin, and he clashed continually and never collaborated. Apparently Wilkins considered women inferior to men in the scientific field, which means he was a jerk. Be that as it may, Wilkins was in favor of turning over the research to other parties because he couldn't work with Franklin. This gave Watson and Crick the opportunity to begin to develop and build DNA structural models. Franklin came very close to solving the DNA structure, but they beat her to it. However, when Wilkins published his work in Nature, Franklin's work was published in an accompanying article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy
    Nedra may have been flamboyant with what some might consider unorthodox ideas, but I don't think the Paughs were an unusually dysfunctional family. Most of the familes I know could be called dysfunctional in one way or another, including mine. Maybe even especially mine.

    (OT) By the way, BrotherMoon...Watson and Crick were not plagiarists. Even though in England it was considered wrong to work on someone else’s pet project without an invitation, in the U.S. and France it wasn't. Watson, an American, wasn't as bound by this progress-stifling social rule as Crick. At that time, the main DNA research was being done by Maurice Wilkins. His King’s College associate, Rosalind Franklin, and he clashed continually and never collaborated. Apparently Wilkins considered women inferior to men in the scientific field, which means he was a jerk. Be that as it may, Wilkins was in favor of turning over the research to other parties because he couldn't work with Franklin. This gave Watson and Crick the opportunity to begin to develop and build DNA structural models. Franklin came very close to solving the DNA structure, but they beat her to it. However, when Wilkins published his work in Nature, Franklin's work was published in an accompanying article.
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    Of course it was their creative vision, silly. Who do you think they were, a couple of lawnmower repairmen looking for something to do on the side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbigailCrane
    Jane Stobie reported Nedra often bragged about Burke's genital size.

    JS: "I think one of the amazing things was, and this was not told to me directly, it was told to a group of employees there, Nedra and one of her employees were talking to several empoyees about the size of Burke's"...

    Abigail,

    Here's how Larry Schiller described it in Perfect Murder - Perfect Town. On page 264 of PMPT pb:

    "Stobie found the Atlanta office totally unprofessional. There was pageant literature everywhere. Polly spent a lot of the day screaming at her husband. Stobie overheard conversations about oral sex and discussions between Nedra and some employees about the size of Burke's penis when he was born."

    JMO

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