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    Quote Originally Posted by goldielox View Post
    Agree (to all of it). When you read his Twitters you realise his use of the word wasn't odd, not for him anyway. I just think he's odd full stop.
    Indeed. And an important distinction. His remark tells us much more about him than about whom he speaks. It just results in speculation based upon the comments of someone who had the option but not the wisdom to say "no comment".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Frost View Post
    His remark tells us much more about him than about whom he speaks.
    It just tells me he's got a large vocabulary and likes to make use of it. Nothing wrong with that.

    The vast majority of people would have said they assumed X had "run off" with somebody (polite version) or that X had " _____ed off" with someone (insert popular vernacular expression of your choice).


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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    I watched a bit of it again. At 4:01 minutes (approx) the brother discusses VT being away for work. He says that the flat that Joanna and GR were in was empty for a few months, and then Joanna and GR were there for only a couple of months, and in the same time VT was in the US working ... so there wasn't much opportunity for them to have contact.

    I suppose this suggests that if VT did murder Joanna, then it would be a random, stranger attack.
    Thank you for that otto
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    It's interesting to me that many people think that someone can't possibly be a murderer if their family/friends say that they're a lovely, gentle person, etc. My opinion is that everybody has a dark side. Therefore, I would be more convinced if somebody's family said something like: 'Yes, he's a great guy, intelligent, caring, but can get angry or moody occasionally.' As somebody pointed out on a previous thread, we somehow feel that if a close relative does something bad, it somehow reflects badly on us, as if some genetic defect has been revealed. Rather than contemplate that possibility, people are more likely to go into denial and only talk about the good aspects of the person's character. Especially if they have been accused of murder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notsure View Post
    It's interesting to me that many people think that someone can't possibly be a murderer if their family/friends say that they're a lovely, gentle person, etc. My opinion is that everybody has a dark side. Therefore, I would be more convinced if somebody's family said something like: 'Yes, he's a great guy, intelligent, caring, but can get angry or moody occasionally.' As somebody pointed out on a previous thread, we somehow feel that if a close relative does something bad, it somehow reflects badly on us, as if some genetic defect has been revealed. Rather than contemplate that possibility, people are more likely to go into denial and only talk about the good aspects of the person's character. Especially if they have been accused of murder.

    well I think it's the fact that so far no one's come forward to mention any warning signs at all. have you read de becker's "the gift of fear"? there are pretty much always warning signs. no one randomly walks down the street and takes up murdering, raping, pillaging, plundering et al etc with absolutely no warning whatsoever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aneurin View Post
    Try reading the following story from yesterday's Daily Mail. In brief, a 45 year old executive at Deutsche Telekom had a bad day at the office, and so relieved his frustrations by abducting, raping, and killing a 10 year old boy before dumping his body in the woods.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ce-stress.html

    You cannot infer guilt or innocence from past conduct.
    But German privacy laws mean that we don't know anything about his past conduct - previous cautions, convictions and so on.

    Remember that nothing was known by Suffolk Police about Ian Huntley's past, until members of the public recognised his photo and made the connection with past events.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherwell View Post

    The vast majority of people would have said they assumed X had "run off" with somebody (polite version) or that X had " _____ed off" with someone (insert popular vernacular expression of your choice).
    I was thinking the same. I expect someone who would say "absconded" would perhaps put it as X had _____ orf though instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by veggiefan View Post
    But German privacy laws mean that we don't know anything about his past conduct - previous cautions, convictions and so on.
    The folk at Deutsche Telecom have a mega impressive "jungle drums" system. If he'd had any convictions he wouldn't have got the job. If he gained any during employment he wouldn't have kept the job. Culture and the right behaviours are everything at that place. They're obsessed with it.

    I haven't a clue about German privacy laws but if it's anything like in the UK upon a conviction all the past convictons (of significance) come out in court and so make it into the press.


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    Quote Originally Posted by naturally suspicious View Post
    agree, even though a resident implied that all this couldn't possibly be happening in clifton...after all the lord mayor lives up the road....!!!

    i suppose you have a certain number of professionals having the salary to live there...rent or buy...but remember that includes at least 300 on the sex register
    There are 301 people on the sex register in the whole of Bristol. Nationwide nearly half a million people are on the register, including many who have never been convicted of any offence but who may have been accused by angry or jealous neighbours, disaffected pupils and so on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by veggiefan View Post
    There are 301 people on the sex register in the whole of Bristol. Nationwide nearly half a million people are on the register, including many who have never been convicted of any offence but who may have been accused by angry or jealous neighbours, disaffected pupils and so on.
    Even this man's on it.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7095134.stm



    It says it all that, about that register


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldielox View Post
    Even this man's on it.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7095134.stm



    It says it all that, about that register
    agreed...but many would be for offences concerning other people/children/animals

    also, have just read a daily mail article sighting 500 in whole of bristol.
    i know my sister, social worker, told me there are many,many such on register within a small distance.
    people are NEVER as they seem/seek to portray themselves...


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldielox View Post
    I know. At the time CJ was under arrest and didn't get released until 1st January. It would be interesting to know what day he actually called this summit. I'm wondering if it was only after CJ was released. TM's brother was proclaiming on Twitter on 31st December he was 100% sure CJ would be charged which leads me to think perhaps VT didn't call this summit until after CJ was released. I'm guessing of course but why would you announce you were under suspicion while someone else has been arrested? You'd at least wait to see what happened with the one under arrest first wouldn't you...or I would anyway.
    We don't know that he knew CJ had been arrested - He would've needed to actively searched online for developments maybe not a priority while on holiday at his family's house

    I would say that if the police were searching my house i would be 'under suspicion'. Perhaps not in those words but the dutch are fairly straight to the point like Germans and would perhaps phrase it that way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherwell View Post
    I think it's a reasonable assumption, given that he knew next to nothing about her and her relationships. It's very common for someone to leave their partner for another. Murder is rare though.
    My thoughts exactly! Grrr damn job - I need to play catch up on here all the time!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Myserty64 View Post
    Powerful post!

    VT isn't making any noise and there was no application for bail.

    Is it possible the police have nailed this one? The prosecuting team must think so. They give the green light to go to trial do they not.
    VT gets his day in court and twelve of his peers will weigh up the case against him.

    Joanna Yeates is the tragic loser not to mention all those who loved her.

    The great mystery is where the L/L fits in all this. He isn't making any noise either.
    He is probably way to scared to speak to any of the press about this - hardly surprising!


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    Interesting article here about the Tabak defense team's pathologist Dr. Nathaniel Cary - an appeal on which he's working in the case of Rosie May Storrie, involving a (perhaps accidental) strangulation:

    But after reviewing the evidence, Dr Cary has said there is a possibility Rosie May could have been accidentally strangled.

    His views were aired on the BBC's Inside Out programmes for the East Midlands, and for Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, both broadcast last night.

    Smith's solicitor, David Watts, said: "He believes she may have been strangled. That has always been at least part of our case, that rather than being a deliberate killing this was a tragic kids' game gone wrong."

    http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.u...l/article.html

    and, from The Times,

    Profile: Nat Cary Britain's top pathologist


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