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    Any BDI's around?

    Or for those of you who aren't sure and open to all RDI scenarios....

    If BDI.....

    do you think he will do it again? (in one form or another)
    do you think he will ever feel guilty/overwhelmed and confess?
    do you think he's old enough to realize what happened?
    in general,do you think that someone with severe personality issues can really be treated or just kept under control?
    and if it's the case with BR what will happen after JR's gone and there's no one there to protect/control him?
    The rice is already cooked...

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    Hi Madeline, I am not 100% positive, of course, but I feel strongly that Burke was involved, if not totally responsible. I believe there was an event that occurred between JonBenet and Burke and that an 'accident' occurred. I vacillate on this, however, as the hit to her head was very hard and I truly wonder as to the intent involved.

    Patsy remarked in her Christmas letter about how much Burke had grown and how good he was at softball.

    No, I don't think he will do it, or anything like it again.

    I don't think he feels guilty, as I believe it was handled by his parents as an accident, even though we don't know the circumstances. After all he hit her, he didn't 'kill' her. If my opinion is anywhere near correct.

    I think Burke, if he is responsible, is crazy like a fox. He listens to Lin Wood even above and beyond his Dad.

    As usual, just my opinion.
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    I wouldn't consider myself necessarily BDI but I am 100% open to the possibility. My BDI theory is that Burke and JonBenet decided to sneak downstairs because they wanted to play with their Christmas gifts. They decided to use the flashlight instead of turning on all the lights because they didn't want to wake up their parents. JonBenet was eating pineapple while Burke played his Nintendo. JonBenet, being a typical little sister who loved to annoy her big brother, unplugged Burke's controller, sending Burke into a fury. He grabs the flashlight and swings it at JBR. The loud commotion wakes up John and Patsy who come downstairs. They then stage it with the RN and the strangulation to look like an intruder killed JBR.

    I am also open to the possibility that an argument between JBR and Burke caused Burke to get extremely angry and swing a flashlight at JonBenet. It's definitely possible that JBR was taunting him and that caused him to lash out, especially if he had a lot of built up anger/jealously towards her. I believe it's possible that Burke started chasing JonBenet and she ran downstairs to the basement. Burke, with the flashlight in his hand, followed her, and then swung it at her.

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    The only way that I can reconcile Burke's involvement in this is if he had a friend over. Honestly, I don't believe he was involved but I do believe he knows that his parents are responsible for what happened and he will never tell anything until long after his dad's death, quite possibly on his own deathbed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Or for those of you who aren't sure and open to all RDI scenarios....

    If BDI.....

    do you think he will do it again? (in one form or another)
    do you think he will ever feel guilty/overwhelmed and confess?
    do you think he's old enough to realize what happened?
    in general,do you think that someone with severe personality issues can really be treated or just kept under control?
    and if it's the case with BR what will happen after JR's gone and there's no one there to protect/control him?
    I am also not 100% BDI, but I lean more and more in that direction, as it seems to explain a lot of gaps.
    I don't think he'll do it gain. If there were frequent violent temper outbursts (as his mother had) would that be something that would remain secret? Given his family's notoriety, I think not.
    I don't think he will ever feel guilty. He may not have even been aware he'd actually killed her- and his parents did "fix" it for him, after all.
    Is he old enough NOW or was he old enough THEN (1996) to realize what happened? YES, to both.
    That type of personality disorder doesn't go away by itself. It may be controlled by medication, but that assumes it has even been recognized as a problem and been treated. It seemed that as he grew and attended college that he had friends and a normal life for a young man of that age. However, his demeanor and behavior at the time of JB's murder were abnormal by anyone's standards (except for people unwilling or unable to recognize just how abnormal it really was). Yet I doubt his parents felt it was unusual. They also inexplicably decided not to discuss his sister's death with him at all- that in itself is abnormal. He wasn't a toddler- he was nearly 10! Of course, they SAID they didn't discuss it with him- we don't really know for sure. I tend to believe that it was discussed on some level, as was the "plan" to keep him out of it and cover up the crime (though they probably did not discuss the details of the coverup/staging).
    As to what will happen when he is alone? Be interesting to see. With his grandparents and mother already gone, JR and his aunts/uncles/cousins are all he would have left if he hasn't married by then. Of Patsy's two surviving sisters, only Aunt P has been vocal on the case, as the other sister has not commented publicly and seems to want to distance herself from the whole mess. (distancing is a family trait). He also has his half-siblings and their families, who also have been pretty quiet about the case from the beginning.
    Maybe he'll write a book one day, but don't expect any revelations. I've said this before- he will not be the hero in this case. He doesn't have it in him. Like many children of wealthy families, the most horrible "situations" can be fixed with power and money. (The Kennedys come to mind on several levels- from Ted Kennedy and the travesty of Chappaquiddick to the Martha Moxley murder to the rape coverup of yet another Kennedy cousin- the list goes on).
    Children in these families, including adult children) usually never have to face up to the consequences of their actions. Lawyers step in, back-room deals are made, etc. They continue their adult lives after such crimes, uncaring, unrepentant and unapologetic but mostly free from consequences.
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    DeeDee, thanks for an excellent post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    Maybe he'll write a book one day, but don't expect any revelations. I've said this before- he will not be the hero in this case. He doesn't have it in him. Like many children of wealthy families, the most horrible "situations" can be fixed with power and money. (The Kennedys come to mind on several levels- from Ted Kennedy and the travesty of Chappaquiddick to the Martha Moxley murder to the rape coverup of yet another Kennedy cousin- the list goes on).
    Children in these families, including adult children) usually never have to face up to the consequences of their actions. Lawyers step in, back-room deals are made, etc. They continue their adult lives after such crimes, uncaring, unrepentant and unapologetic but mostly free from consequences.
    Lack of "gumption" is how I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderllama View Post
    Lack of "gumption" is how I see it.
    I love that, wonderllama! My dad always said that if you do something wrong or stupid, at least have the "gumption" to own up to it and face the consequences. That really took me back. Thank you!
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    BDI is not out of the question for me. Strangely, I had an oldest son & younger daughter who were each a year older than the Ramsey children in Dec 1996. My son even got a Nintendo 64 that year. That got me to thinking that if JB tried to play with that game and had the controller, I can see Burke grabbing that controller away from her and bashing her on the head in frustration, knocking her out cold. All of them might have been awake at the time and once they could see she was badly hurt, and thought she may have been dead, went into cover up mode. This scenario, or one similar to it might fill in a lot of the holes for me. Especially how they could so determinately say that they "did not kill JonBenet". They would have covered this up for the same reasons they would cover for themselves. I tried to copy a picture of it into this, but do not know how

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    I am also not 100% BDI, but I lean more and more in that direction, as it seems to explain a lot of gaps.
    I don't think he'll do it gain. If there were frequent violent temper outbursts (as his mother had) would that be something that would remain secret? Given his family's notoriety, I think not.
    I don't think he will ever feel guilty. He may not have even been aware he'd actually killed her- and his parents did "fix" it for him, after all.
    Is he old enough NOW or was he old enough THEN (1996) to realize what happened? YES, to both.
    That type of personality disorder doesn't go away by itself. It may be controlled by medication, but that assumes it has even been recognized as a problem and been treated. It seemed that as he grew and attended college that he had friends and a normal life for a young man of that age. However, his demeanor and behavior at the time of JB's murder were abnormal by anyone's standards (except for people unwilling or unable to recognize just how abnormal it really was). Yet I doubt his parents felt it was unusual. They also inexplicably decided not to discuss his sister's death with him at all- that in itself is abnormal. He wasn't a toddler- he was nearly 10! Of course, they SAID they didn't discuss it with him- we don't really know for sure. I tend to believe that it was discussed on some level, as was the "plan" to keep him out of it and cover up the crime (though they probably did not discuss the details of the coverup/staging).
    As to what will happen when he is alone? Be interesting to see. With his grandparents and mother already gone, JR and his aunts/uncles/cousins are all he would have left if he hasn't married by then. Of Patsy's two surviving sisters, only Aunt P has been vocal on the case, as the other sister has not commented publicly and seems to want to distance herself from the whole mess. (distancing is a family trait). He also has his half-siblings and their families, who also have been pretty quiet about the case from the beginning.
    Maybe he'll write a book one day, but don't expect any revelations. I've said this before- he will not be the hero in this case. He doesn't have it in him. Like many children of wealthy families, the most horrible "situations" can be fixed with power and money. (The Kennedys come to mind on several levels- from Ted Kennedy and the travesty of Chappaquiddick to the Martha Moxley murder to the rape coverup of yet another Kennedy cousin- the list goes on).
    Children in these families, including adult children) usually never have to face up to the consequences of their actions. Lawyers step in, back-room deals are made, etc. They continue their adult lives after such crimes, uncaring, unrepentant and unapologetic but mostly free from consequences.
    DeeDee249,

    I agree with most of what you say. I reckon a book or more likely his participation in a documentary, some time down the road, once others have passed on?


    The extent of any personality disorder will determine if this occurs. Since psychologically is should be cathartic, and socially redeem him in the eyes of his peers. He must be aware of sites such as this and what for his circle passes for gossip. The day may come when he recognizes all this will never go away. Before the internet it may have, so some compromise may have to be brokered.

    The parents attitude towards Burke may be explained as a generational thing e.g. tell him as little as possible, and hope he forgets with time. Prior to the rise of counselling, this was the response of many parents to childhood trauma?

    All my theories are consistent with the evidence and not one is IDI. My JDI is stronger than my PDI and BDI comes second last. Last is RDI plus some third party e.g. a relative or corporate agent e.g. there was a fifth person in the house that night who assisted in the staging?

    Importantly BDI explains why the parents would collude to hide prior sexual abuse. Including the ongoing silence from other relatives, that is, are they aware of any reporting restrictions surrounding a BDI, and therefore comply with them?

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    I have to agree that BR being the culprit would have been the "glue" that held Patsy and John together all those years. Statistically, most couples don't survive the death of a child, be it by murder or accident and Jonbenet's death certainly seemed to bring the Ramseys closer together.
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    I agree Beck. Strange how they went from being in separate rooms, while JonBenet was missing, to a solidarity that to this day has never been broken, no secrets shared. That was the first thing that made me feel Burke was involved.
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    Yeah, and the Ramseys have pointed out on a few occasions about how 80% of couples spilt after the death of a child, but they stayed together...

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    I'm on the fence as to who was ultimately responsible for this crime....with that caveat, I never saw them as having grown closer...more like two superpowers with atomic weapons aimed at each other...solidarity or mutually assured destruction.

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    If BDI, though, doesn't it seem like he would have said something to the police when he was interviewed? It's hard to imagine a 9-year-old keeping a secret that big all those years.

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