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    Motives for Murder

    If we document some of the motives that people have murdered, perhaps it can help us figure out our unsolved cases.

    Money
    Revenge
    Jealousy
    Control

    What else have you seen as a motive in crime cases? Why do kids murder their parents? Why do parents murder their children?

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    To cover something else up.

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    Well, the case that always numbs my skull is the one where the lady came home to find 4 dead men in her abode. The first two had been working on alterations when she left. Apparently she didn't know the other 2.

    It seems her ex-hubby, LOL, ex-hubby,how obvious, didn't care to share his money with his ex-wife and hired someone to murder her. The hired help passed the job along to someone else, who may have hired someone else, all I remember is $500 being the final price. At any rate, the obviously not-too-bright "hitman" went to the home and killed the two workmen. Then he waited for his targeted victim. Methinks he should have asked for more money at that point, but, like I said, I don't believe he was the brightest light on the tree.

    Then, while waiting for said ex-wife to come home someone else showed up at the door. Oh, dear, what to do? Kill him - which hitman promptly did. Oh, God, someone else showed up at the door. Is this a public thoroughfare? Well, hitman isn't going to quit now, so down goes victim #4.

    The only person who survived this carnage was the intended victim, the ex-wife. The idiotic hitman got caught, he ratted out the guy who hired him who, in turn, ratted out..and so on until ex-hubby was caught.

    So, I believe it goes to show sometimes there just isn't any way in 'ell anyone can really understand what happened right off the bat, no clear motive; it takes digging and digging, to find out why. Yes, we can say the motive was money, but if the other bodies were looked at, there really wasn't a motive.

    Can you imagine coming home to 4 dead men in your house?

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    IMO- it all boils down to CONTROL.
    jealousy is inability to control someone elses
    heart
    Money is not having acess to or enough of it. Unable to have control of it.
    Anger IMO those who anger you control you. so to speak. kill them thus the anger is gone and control is regained....

    Even the moisy wife that kills her abusive hubby... somewhere along the line she lost control, allowed herseld to be controlled... cam control him, how he abuses her or children.
    Self defense.... is just that right? motive is a moot point.
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    What a great topic and thread! Thank you Kimster.

    Revenge comes to mind, as does just prejudice against a class, race, or gender.

    Greed, ambition, lust, jealousy, and of course, mental or emotional problems.

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    While it's sometimes just an excuse, I do think that sometimes mental illness is at the root of it. 'the voices made me do it.'

    Northwest serial killers Gary Ridgeway (Green River) and Robert Yates (Spokane) both claimed to have killed prostitutes simply so they didn't have to pay for the sex that had been provided. What would you call that? judgement? contempt? entitlement?

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    I looked this up........interesting
    - jealousy
    - anger
    - feeling incompetent
    - fear (justified or not)
    - betrayal (doesn't necessarily have to lead to anger, think for example about criminal organisations, one doesn't need anger to find it necessary to eliminate someone for having betrayed the organisation)
    - money
    - panic
    - power
    - lust (sexual sadism)
    - revenge/feeling of justice
    - religious madness (not only think about terrorists or war, also think of serial killers who think they kill for god, or cults who kill for religious reasons)
    - honor (to save for example one's family from shame, also used in criminal organisations)
    - mercy (in one's mind, sometimes taking a life can seem like an act of mercy, for instance when someone is very ill)
    - lonelyness (think for example of killers like Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Nilsen.. they killed for company)

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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    I looked this up........interesting
    - jealousy
    - anger
    - feeling incompetent
    - fear (justified or not)
    - betrayal (doesn't necessarily have to lead to anger, think for example about criminal organisations, one doesn't need anger to find it necessary to eliminate someone for having betrayed the organisation)
    - money
    - panic
    - power
    - lust (sexual sadism)
    - revenge/feeling of justice
    - religious madness (not only think about terrorists or war, also think of serial killers who think they kill for god, or cults who kill for religious reasons)
    - honor (to save for example one's family from shame, also used in criminal organisations)
    - mercy (in one's mind, sometimes taking a life can seem like an act of mercy, for instance when someone is very ill)
    - lonelyness (think for example of killers like Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Nilsen.. they killed for company)

    fantasy, shut someone up, plain old fun, entertainment JMOO
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    Wow, that's pretty comprehensive!

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    Killed for insurance money
    Not only is it a horrific crime, it's insurance fraud. And not being convicted (or even charged) in a death does not necessarily mean a beneficiary can collect.


    It's a timeworn plot twist in movies: A wealthy family patriarch is killed and the killer turns out to be the spouse, offspring or business partner -- who just happens to be the beneficiary of the departed's enormous life insurance policy!

    And if you watch true-crime TV shows, you know this scheme plays out in real life. Consider:

    •An Indiana vacuum cleaner salesman was killed by a gunshot to the head in 2003 and his wife, the beneficiary of two life insurance policies worth a total of $1 million, was convicted in 2009 in connection with his death.

    •In 2010, a Missouri woman went to prison after hiring two men to kill her husband so she could collect his life insurance benefits.

    •In Washington state, a man was found guilty in 2010 of second-degree murder in the 2003 drowning death of his 3-year-old stepdaughter in what authorities said was an effort to collect a $200,000 life insurance benefit he had taken out on the girl.

    Although murder-for-life-insurance plots in movies typically end with the culprit being marched off to prison, real-life incidents are not often black and white. Life insurance beneficiaries can remain suspects in killings for years without collecting death benefits, and life insurance companies, left wondering who should get the payout, often wind up seeking answers in court.

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    Thrill Killing

    This one seems to be coming up more recently or maybe we just hear about it more now in the instant news world we live in.

    Example the case of Elizabeth Olten, murdered by her neighbor who was her little friend's older sister. The reason - She wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. It was preplanned, the disposal site prepicked.
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    A bit off topic since this is more of a red-flag than a motive, but it seems every time I see a crime or missing person show in which the husband is about to be divorced and he is going to fight for custody of the children, then it turns out that he is guilty of doing his wife in...
    So the combination of divorce + husband fighting for custody is a big red flag against the husband. IMO.
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    How about joy killings? They kill people just because they enjoy it? I think that's the worst type of motive out there.
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    Criminally insane, including stalkers – watching the “Stalking” series on ID channel, and of how nuts stalkers are – they seem unable to be rehabilitated. .
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    One guy, I think it may have been Richard Kuklinski, killed a total stranger with a crossbow just to test out his new crossbow.

    I read on crimelibrary.com or somewhere about one guy who would abduct women and fly them up to Alaska in his private aircraft, and then hunt them down for sport just as casually as Sarah Palin might would hunt a caribou up there.

    This wouldn't apply to murders in the USA these days, but I read a book about the Siege of Leningrad, where over a million Russians starved to death, mostly in the first few months after the Germans cut off the city from the rest of the world in September 1941. Even by November 1941, the food situation was so dire that it was unsafe for parents to allow their children out alone because they would get abducted and cannibalized. Strong groups would overpower the weak and eat them or sell their meat at the markets. People murdered other people for their ration cards since the normal rations were too low for most people already.

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    Richard Kuklinski was a hired hitman for the mafia. I read his biography. He murdered people using various grotesque methods.

    The method of killing for the man in Alaska was based upon the short story, "The Most Dangerous Game." My older daughter was assigned that story to read in her high school Literature class. I thought this was very inappropriate for that age group but my complaint fell on deaf ears.

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    Self-defense.

    Although it could be argued that that is not murder, per se.
    So help me God.

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    Sex?
    I know sometimes rapes turn into homicide .
    This is an awesome thread .
    I know women commit murders ...but it's only something like 11% of homicides

    Does anyone think testosterone has something to do with it?
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    Narcissism and selfishness seem to motivate many of the murderers who kill their own family members. These murderers don't necessarily have a financial motive, not necessarily driven by hate or jealousy, no sexual component. These are the ones that disturb me the most. People who just off a spouse and/or child because the victim is simply (and often unknowingly) in the murderer's way of being free, single, able to pursue someone/something else. Just a few examples, imo:

    Scott Peterson
    Dianne Downs
    Susan Smith
    Casey Anthony (not yet proven guilty)
    Billie Dunn (not yet named a suspect)
    Matt Baker
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    Freedom - Casey Anthony(not convicted yet) and Scott Peterson.

    For the love of another person - Susan Smith. Her motive was so she could be with another man and he didn't want kids. Pretty darn sick and sadistic. i'm sure there are other's that have done for this reason too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    I looked this up........interesting
    - jealousy
    - anger
    - feeling incompetent
    - fear (justified or not)
    - betrayal (doesn't necessarily have to lead to anger, think for example about criminal organisations, one doesn't need anger to find it necessary to eliminate someone for having betrayed the organisation)
    - money
    - panic
    - power
    - lust (sexual sadism)
    - revenge/feeling of justice
    - religious madness (not only think about terrorists or war, also think of serial killers who think they kill for god, or cults who kill for religious reasons)
    - honor (to save for example one's family from shame, also used in criminal organisations)
    - mercy (in one's mind, sometimes taking a life can seem like an act of mercy, for instance when someone is very ill)
    - lonelyness (think for example of killers like Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Nilsen.. they killed for company)

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    Amen to that! Here are examples of them. If you don't mind. There are some overlaps.

    Jealousy-Gertrude Baniszewski, Lori Drew, South Hadley 6
    Anger-Betty Broderick, Seung-Hui Cho, Colin Ferguson
    Feeling incompetent-Lori Drew, Wanda Holloway, Gertrude Baniszewski, South Hadley 6, Seung-Hui Cho, Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins
    Fear-Charles Whitman, Lori Drew
    Betrayal-Betty Broderick
    Money-Betty Broderick
    Panic-?
    Power-Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Seung-Hui Cho, South Hadley 6, Osama bin Laden, Jim Jones
    Lust (sexual sadism)-Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Ng and Leonard Lake
    Revenge/Feeling of Justice-Lori Drew, Colin Ferguson, Seung-Hui Cho, Timothy McVeigh, Osama bin Laden, Anders Breivik
    Religious Madness-Osama bin Laden, Gertrude Baniszewski, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Angel Maturino Reséndiz
    Honor-Richard Kuklinski, Giuseppe Greco
    Mercy-Kristen Gilbert, Beverley Allitt
    Loneliness-Jeffrey Dahmer, Dennis Nilsen
    Freedom-Casey Anthony, Scott Peterson, Diane Downs, Susan Smith

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    Attention seeking can also be a motive for murder - I'm thinking of Munchausen's by proxy and similar disorders.

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    I think that some people are just evil (have a dark soul) and try to justify.

    Its not a sickness, sick you can cure.

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    The Zodiac mentions in his letters that he is not Sick, he is insane. Possibly this means he is exploding to divulge his power.
    I read about the phoenix project alot and am concerned about the frankensteins they created and wonder if Zodiac is not one of these monsters who was 'INSANE' as they put it after some of the peolple went though these tests..
    I am most concerned about the number of unsolved murders and unfound women.
    These numbers are just to many in number and wonder if these killers are not manipulated by frequencies and such. I know it sounds bizarre, but really, maybe something like the Phoenix project and the Philidelphia experiment disasters fed this into society like a virus and evil itself is a manifest plan being devised by satanic means,murder and sex traffiicing that fullfills the essence of lust and blood that evil so desires. How does it devise its plan? By stealing souls.
    I think this is why the Zodiac played with the cops and media because he is a sick maniac with the guise of a GAME as his mask and that he was toying with the fact that he had secret knowledge that the cops did not have. He went as far to claim control in all things in his final letter dated in 1978.(not that he stopped killing, just that he stopped contact)
    One letter referenced the SLA meaning KILL in Norse and this in itself led me to thinking that he was testing to see how smart the cops were that he was skilled in celtic meanings and similar happenstances relating to the celtic cross and runes. He obviously was skilled in satanic things as well. His excorcist letter and the murder of a young girl in a church (never marked as a Zodiac Killling odly enough, I am thinking 2+2 should go together)is what has me thinking he is the devil. The devil, or satan, is what is ultimately behind all of this , and the way he holds onto people to make them kill. He has many minions in my opinion, and these killers must have a target ferquency that ultimately sends a signal that they are about to kill. I wonder why the government hasn't thought of this? If they have, they are not being kind in letting us know that there is a pattern in the way the mind works that makes all of these killers victimize and kill other human beings. It is a devil and I believe it is a frequency. It is explained well in the Phoenix project if you apply enough what ifs and think in a new way, and apply knowledg, you may even get inside the minds of the killers.
    Who created these killers? Science did and they dumped the out in the public.
    You can argue that not all killers are the same, but I believe a voice controls them all and it is one man, an escapee from one of those projects gone bad, or a mad scientist.
    Otherwise, had they never done these experimnets, there would not be so many twisted individuals as there are now in the world today. I can not prove I am right, not prove I am wrong . Its hard to think in the mind of these killers and one can only imagine what insane means when you read about what the governent has done.
    But lets no blame this on them, lets give the bennefit of the doubt and pretend that these things are not possible and that lack of good moral education is at fault here and is solely to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcya View Post
    Thrill Killing

    This one seems to be coming up more recently or maybe we just hear about it more now in the instant news world we live in.

    Example the case of Elizabeth Olten, murdered by her neighbor who was her little friend's older sister. The reason - She wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. It was preplanned, the disposal site prepicked.
    Two recent cases appear to be thrill kills; Skylar Neese and Tim Bosma. I try to put what "this" is in words, but I can't find any.


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    The new one that scares me is "Gang Initiation". I just saw a youtube video of a boy 17 who was shot 3 times and hit in the head with the butt of the shotgun rifle to kill him. He survived, but a "friend" he knew well, did this to him, to get into a gang.
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