748 users online (110 members and 638 guests)  


The Killing Season - Websleuths

Websleuths News


Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 42
  1. #1

    Cell phone pings & drive times

    Good luck to the techies and analyzers. This topic will make my head spin!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    2,071
    Previously posted on 2/5/2011

    Background:
    -SA first says he left work at 6:10 a.m. on 12.27.10 and went straight to his mom's house in Big Spring. This is what he told LE.
    -After affidavits are released showing his cell phone was pinging in Colorado City from 6:35 to 6:56 a.m. (when cell service then stopped), he tells Billie he went to visit his grandmother in Dunn after leaving work. This puts him on the 208 which goes straight through Dunn and Colorado City and then connects to I-20.
    -He claims (to Billie) no one was home at grandma's so he drove the 208 down past Colorado City and jumped on the I-20 to his mom's house in Big Spring.
    =======================================

    I just did a little map research on Google.

    Monday, 12.27.2010

    Billie leaves home at 6:30
    She's on Hwy 208 from 6:32 to 6:55 (assuming they're doing the speed limit) and at her desk at Cogdell Memorial in Snyder by about 7 a.m.

    Shawn leaves Weaver Pipeline Services in Snyder at 6:10
    He's on Hwy 208 from about 6:15 to 6:35 p.m. when he gets back to CC city (assuming he's doing the speed limit)

    Hwy 208 is the direct route for both of them. If both cars were doing the speed limit, they would have crossed paths when he was just getting off the 208 and Billie was getting on it. If he was driving much faster than the speed limit, I suppose he could have stopped at his grandma's in Dunn, knocked for a very short time, and gotten gotten off the 208 at around 6:30, just a minute or two before he would have passed Billie. But, he has to be near Billie's in CC from 6:35 to 6:56 per cell phone pings that hit off the same phone as Billie's house.

    So, if he just exited the 208 onto the I-20 and drove straight through CC, what took him 21 minutes to get out of the CC cell tower range? I can't imagine he would be pinging off that same CC tower for 21 minutes headed down I-20 to Big Spring?. CC is a small city from what I understand, so it shouldn't be more than several minutes before he'd be out of that cell radius (I assume?). I think he had to have been doing something in CC for at least 10 minutes..

    So, really, Billie's time line for SA on 12/27 a.m. is implausible to me when you consider the cell pings.

    Note: I think tehcloser did something similar and more refined a few days ago when I was on and off the board. I'm gonna see if I can find her post for my own reference.

    (my times are based on speed limits used for Google driving directions, so they're approximations only since we don't know how fast they were driving or if there was any traffic).
    Last edited by yllek; 02-06-2011 at 09:22 PM. Reason: added background
    My opinions only, with respect to all those whose opinions differ

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    LA-Lower Alabama
    Posts
    1,094
    Quote Originally Posted by yllek View Post
    Previously posted on 2/5/2011

    Background:
    -SA first says he left work at 6:10 a.m. on 12.27.10 and went straight to his mom's house in Big Spring. This is what he told LE.
    -After affidavits are released showing his cell phone was pinging in Colorado City from 6:35 to 6:56 a.m. (when cell service then stopped), he tells Billie he went to visit his grandmother in Dunn after leaving work. This puts him on the 208 which goes straight through Dunn and Colorado City and then connects to I-20.
    -He claims (to Billie) no one was home at grandma's so he drove the 208 down past Colorado City and jumped on the I-20 to his mom's house in Big Spring.
    =======================================

    I just did a little map research on Google.

    Monday, 12.27.2010

    Billie leaves home at 6:30
    She's on Hwy 208 from 6:32 to 6:55 (assuming they're doing the speed limit) and at her desk at Cogdell Memorial in Snyder by about 7 a.m.

    Shawn leaves Weaver Pipeline Services in Snyder at 6:10
    He's on Hwy 208 from about 6:15 to 6:35 p.m. when he gets back to CC city (assuming he's doing the speed limit)

    Hwy 208 is the direct route for both of them. If both cars were doing the speed limit, they would have crossed paths when he was just getting off the 208 and Billie was getting on it. If he was driving much faster than the speed limit, I suppose he could have stopped at his grandma's in Dunn, knocked for a very short time, and gotten gotten off the 208 at around 6:30, just a minute or two before he would have passed Billie. But, he has to be near Billie's in CC from 6:35 to 6:56 per cell phone pings that hit off the same phone as Billie's house.

    So, if he just exited the 208 onto the I-20 and drove straight through CC, what took him 21 minutes to get out of the CC cell tower range? I can't imagine he would be pinging off that same CC tower for 21 minutes headed down I-20 to Big Spring?. CC is a small city from what I understand, so it shouldn't be more than several minutes before he'd be out of that cell radius (I assume?). I think he had to have been doing something in CC for at least 10 minutes..

    So, really, Billie's time line for SA on 12/27 a.m. is implausible to me when you consider the cell pings.

    Note: I think tehcloser did something similar and more refined a few days ago when I was on and off the board. I'm gonna see if I can find her post for my own reference.

    (my times are based on speed limits used for Google driving directions, so they're approximations only since we don't know how fast they were driving or if there was any traffic).
    I think we are on the same page....maybe

    The affidavit says the NORTH transmitter was hit for 20 minutes..6:36AM to 6:56 AM then SA turns phone OFF or battery out of phone

    This area is not in the Dunn tower area...and this tower 724 starts coverage a little south of Buford and we know the time it takes to travel from Buford to I-20 is only about 7 minutes not twenty minutes

    Do you think its probable that he was stopped in a location along 208 south of Buford...

    The 20 minute time frame??? if he was moving would take less than 7 minutes and also another side of tower would be hitting... like the east transmitter as he is entering I-20....

    Hope this is what you are thinking....no way could he spend 20 minutes and still be moving correct??

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    2,071
    Quote Originally Posted by captdj View Post
    I think we are on the same page....maybe

    The affidavit says the NORTH transmitter was hit for 20 minutes..6:36AM to 6:56 AM then SA turns phone OFF or battery out of phone

    This area is not in the Dunn tower area...and this tower 724 starts coverage a little south of Buford and we know the time it takes to travel from Buford to I-20 is only about 7 minutes not twenty minutes

    Do you think its probable that he was stopped in a location along 208 south of Buford...

    The 20 minute time frame??? if he was moving would take less than 7 minutes and also another side of tower would be hitting... like the east transmitter as he is entering I-20....

    Hope this is what you are thinking....no way could he spend 20 minutes and still be moving correct??
    Yes, we are on the same page. If he didn't stop in Colorado City, why was his cell pinging off the tower that services Billie's house for at least 21 minutes before the phone went out of service? Makes no sense if he was just driving past CC on his way to Big Spring. He'd be in another tower's cell range well within 21 minutes (I presume)...

    If SA gets charged with anything, I expect some story about stopping to visit someone in CC, or going through one of the 2 fast food places (if they have no surveillance)... He's gonna need to explain a stop there, not just a drive past, to explain those cell records, imo...
    My opinions only, with respect to all those whose opinions differ

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    2,492
    If the pings were for calls and texts only, keep in mind that he may have been in that area a lot longer. Alternatively, if he did make two calls/texts at that time (to bracket that period), he could have been stopped when he did that. That may account for the 20 minutes.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    LA-Lower Alabama
    Posts
    1,094
    Quote Originally Posted by yllek View Post
    Yes, we are on the same page. If he didn't stop in Colorado City, why was his cell pinging off the tower that services Billie's house for at least 21 minutes before the phone went out of service? Makes no sense if he was just driving past CC on his way to Big Spring. He'd be in another tower's cell range well within 21 minutes (I presume)...

    If SA gets charged with anything, I expect some story about stopping to visit someone in CC, or going through one of the 2 fast food places (if they have no surveillance)... He's gonna need to explain a stop there, not just a drive past, to explain those cell records, imo...
    Yes the tower services Billie home area tower 724...but the transmitter that was pinging off the tower shows a tighter area that SA was actually at....

    The affidavits says SA pings were off tower 724 on the towers northern coverage area transmitter.

    This places him north of Hailey Home and north of I-20 between 6:36 and 6:56 somewhere between buford and I-20...

    Maybe he pulled off and was hidden watching and waiting for the car Billie was riding in to go by...then turns off/disables phone and goes back home to Hailey..

    Something has him stopped in that area (Im thinking) and we dont know how long he stayed there b/c he disabled the phone at this time he could have stayed put until around 9AM(maybe he already has Hailey) .....all we know is that the next time his cell phone is enabled is 9:56am at his moms home in Big Springs

    Notice in the affidavits at 9:56AM he is pinged off the northwest transmitter of Tower 730...meaning his mom's home is north and west of the tower..but to me it looks more west and just a little north...maybe theres not a west or east transmitter...


    Hope Im thinking clearly about the directions of these transmitters...

    Just another working theory......

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    LA-Lower Alabama
    Posts
    1,094
    Quote Originally Posted by Tugela View Post
    If the pings were for calls and texts only, keep in mind that he may have been in that area a lot longer. Alternatively, if he did make two calls/texts at that time (to bracket that period), he could have been stopped when he did that. That may account for the 20 minutes.
    I think LE in the affidavits are working off the pinging of his phone and not the call logs...

    Even if LE was using call logs ... If him is leaving work about 6:10 AM and with normal travel time it still put him south of Buford at 6:36AM.

    Now he is staying in that area that is north of tower 724 until 6:56 when he decides to disable his phone....

    But you are correct he could have stayed more than 20 minutes in this area.. indeed too much time in an area that SA stated as just passing thru to Moms

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    2,492
    Quote Originally Posted by captdj View Post
    Something has him stopped in that area (Im thinking) and we dont know how long he stayed there b/c he disabled the phone at this time he could have stayed put until around 9AM(maybe he already has Hailey) .....all we know is that the next time his cell phone is enabled is 9:56am at his moms home in Big Springs

    Notice in the affidavits at 9:56AM he is pinged off the northwest transmitter of Tower 730...meaning his mom's home is north and west of the tower..but to me it looks more west and just a little north...maybe theres not a west or east transmitter...
    According to BD however he arrived at his mother's house before she left for work, so before 8AM. That should be easy enough for LE or BD to check, they could just ask the mother and she would confirm it (unless she was willing to become an accomplice to whatever might have happened). We don't know if the phone was enabled at 9:56AM, it might just have been when a call/text was made or recieved.

    If he was at his mothers house at 8PM that doesn't leave a lot of time for nefarious deeds.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    2,492
    Quote Originally Posted by captdj View Post
    I think LE in the affidavits are working off the pinging of his phone and not the call logs...

    Even if LE was using call logs ... If him is leaving work about 6:10 AM and with normal travel time it still put him south of Buford at 6:36AM.

    Now he is staying in that area that is north of tower 724 until 6:56 when he decides to disable his phone....

    But you are correct he could have stayed more than 20 minutes in this area.. indeed too much time in an area that SA stated as just passing thru to Moms
    When trying to figure out a timeline I think it is pretty critical to know if it is a proper ping history or just a call ping history.

    If they were working off the pinging they would have reported the data for Snyder as well as when he returned to CC and they didn't. So unless he routinely disabled his phone when traveling they are not using ping history. It is possible that he might simply be doing that to conserve power and if so you can't really use it to track his movements.

    A question for the locals: how long does it take to drive through CC from when you recieve a signal until when you lose it?

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    LA-Lower Alabama
    Posts
    1,094
    A question for cell tower experts...

    If cell tower 724 is located here

    32.41262 -100.86900 - Google Maps


    What area would be considered the
    Northern coverage area transmitter for tower 724
    Area north of I-20
    Southern coverage area transmitter for tower 724
    Area south of I-20

    Am I correct in this direction of transmitters?
    Last edited by OkieGranny; 02-25-2016 at 02:17 AM. Reason: broken link


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    LA-Lower Alabama
    Posts
    1,094
    Quote Originally Posted by Tugela View Post
    According to BD however he arrived at his mother's house before she left for work, so before 8AM. That should be easy enough for LE or BD to check, they could just ask the mother and she would confirm it (unless she was willing to become an accomplice to whatever might have happened). We don't know if the phone was enabled at 9:56AM, it might just have been when a call/text was made or recieved.

    If he was at his mothers house at 8PM that doesn't leave a lot of time for nefarious deeds.
    BBM

    LE calls this period a break in usage...I dont think they mean he wasnt getting any calls during that time....

    Looks like he would have many breaks in usage so why bother naming this one in the affidavit to seize the car...

    I dont think we have a confirmation from SA's mom regarding her timeline...

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    LA-Lower Alabama
    Posts
    1,094
    Quote Originally Posted by Tugela View Post
    When trying to figure out a timeline I think it is pretty critical to know if it is a proper ping history or just a call ping history.

    If they were working off the pinging they would have reported the data for Snyder as well as when he returned to CC and they didn't. So unless he routinely disabled his phone when traveling they are not using ping history. It is possible that he might simply be doing that to conserve power and if so you can't really use it to track his movements.

    A question for the locals: how long does it take to drive through CC from when you recieve a signal until when you lose it?
    BBM

    In the affidavit to seize the car... Im guessing it was NOT important to include synder pings as they already knew he was at work....but what the affidavit was trying to indicate is that SA Lied about not being in CC...so ping information was only given that show he was not where he said he was but instead near Hailey home....

    Im guessing LE doesnt want to give out any more information than necessary since the affidavits are available to the public....

  13. #13
    belimom's Avatar
    belimom is offline Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter ~MLK Jr
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    10,555
    This is something I think is interesting:

    - SA pings from CCity tower: 6:36-6:56
    - BD in car on the way to work: 6:30-7:00

    I posted this on a previous thread, but I think: (1) either he was having a regular conversation with BD (how was your drive in to work, what time are you getting off, are you able to pick me up today, what's for dinner, etc), OR (2) he was talking to an accomplice about what they were doing/where they were meeting, etc.

    So I'm not sure what to make of that early morning conversation. If it wasn't BD he was talking to, then it had to be an accomplice b/c who else would you talk to at that hour?
    Fly high and free, Jhessye ~

    My posts are meant to help think through possibilities and are strictly an additional opinion under circumstances when many points of view need to be considered. I apologize in advance to anyone whose potential involvement is contemplated in error. Please understand that much of what is happening is merely brainstorming during unfortunate events.

  14. #14
    SmoothOperator's Avatar
    SmoothOperator is offline Sadly what connects all these puzzles is that there's a victim@the heart of each
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    5,589
    *{am just bringing this over and putting this in our new Thread designated to: Timeline and detailed map of Shawn Adkins travels on 12/27/2010}*

    Here's a little mapping I did with times and info..
    Monday.December.27.2010


    *(A)- WSI in Snyder {SA work}
    6:00am- Adkins arrives at WSI in Snyder

    6:10am- Adkins immediately leaves WSI without a word
    He now claims from WSI he drove to grandmas in Dunn..distance from WSI to Dunn is 18mins..That would roughly put him in Dunn at..

    *(B)- city of Dunn where Grandma lives
    6:38am- According to Shawn per BILLIE "they" didn't answer the door at grandmas..
    Shawn leaves Dunn and goes to Big Spring via continuing down 208 to the Interstate 20 junction..Also there needs to be an allotted amount of time for SA to park..go to door..and knock..not get an answer..return to car..and back on 208(Id guess 5-10mins..so we'll tack on 7mins allotted for this)With I20 being roughly 15mins from Dunn+the 7mins allotted time for grandmas stop..He'd be arriving at I20 junction around 6:50am{*note I20 is right there near Billies home}...

    *(C)- Interstate 20/280 junction
    6:50am-Shaun heads on I20 towards Big Spring.. From the I20 junction to Big Spring is approx. 48mins.. which would put Shaun at his mom's in Big Spring at about..

    *(D)- Big Spring
    7:38am- Arrives at mom's before she leaves for work at 8am

    I'll attach the google map for reference..with each corresponding with A..B..C..D on google maps..

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    LA-Lower Alabama
    Posts
    1,094
    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    *{am just bringing this over and putting this in our new Thread designated to: Timeline and detailed map of Shawn Adkins travels on 12/27/2010}*

    Here's a little mapping I did with times and info..
    Monday.December.27.2010


    *(A)- WSI in Snyder {SA work}
    6:00am- Adkins arrives at WSI in Snyder

    6:10am- Adkins immediately leaves WSI without a word
    He now claims from WSI he drove to grandmas in Dunn..distance from WSI to Dunn is 18mins..That would roughly put him in Dunn at..

    *(B)- city of Dunn where Grandma lives
    6:38am- According to Shawn per BILLIE "they" didn't answer the door at grandmas..
    Shawn leaves Dunn and goes to Big Spring via continuing down 208 to the Interstate 20 junction..Also there needs to be an allotted amount of time for SA to park..go to door..and knock..not get an answer..return to car..and back on 208(Id guess 5-10mins..so we'll tack on 7mins allotted for this)With I20 being roughly 15mins from Dunn+the 7mins allotted time for grandmas stop..He'd be arriving at I20 junction around 6:50am{*note I20 is right there near Billies home}...

    *(C)- Interstate 20/280 junction
    6:50am-Shaun heads on I20 towards Big Spring.. From the I20 junction to Big Spring is approx. 48mins.. which would put Shaun at his mom's in Big Spring at about..

    *(D)- Big Spring
    7:38am- Arrives at mom's before she leaves for work at 8am

    I'll attach the google map for reference..with each corresponding with A..B..C..D on google maps..
    Seeing this on your map helps...Is it possible that the 20 minutes he spend pinging the northern coverage area for Tower 724 included areas closer to Dunn than starting south of buford as shown on the verizon map...

    Then we still have the big question...why did he disable his phone at marker "c" and enables it again at 9:56??

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. TH's cell phone pings
    By Angel4u2Whisper2 in forum Kyron Horman
    Replies: 193
    Last Post: 02-16-2011, 08:43 AM
  2. Cell Phone Towers And Pings
    By SeriouslySearching in forum Tracy Ocasio
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 07-13-2009, 10:37 AM
  3. Cell phone Pings Check This Out
    By Marenaberryjo in forum Resource Links, Case Calendar & Time Lines
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 01-07-2009, 03:59 PM
  4. All Casey Cell Phone LOGS and PINGS
    By Amberjack in forum Resource Links, Case Calendar & Time Lines
    Replies: 715
    Last Post: 10-02-2008, 09:38 AM
  5. Information: Cell Phone Pings
    By Samiya in forum Michelle Young
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 12-23-2006, 03:25 AM

Tags for this Thread