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    Why is Hailey NOT on the FBI missing persons website?

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

    I think the FBI has some sort of concrete evidence Hailey is not with us any longer Hence no reason to have her ont he website.
    Kyron is up there, Phylicia is up there???
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    I think the FBI knows that Shawn did something to Hailey and therefore has no reason to put her picture out there.

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    Having a suspect would not be a reason to not include someone. Most people think Kyron's stepmother did something to him, too, but he is still on there. Haleigh Cummings case has been declared a murder investigation, not a missing child investigation, but she is still on there.

    The FBI is involved in Hailey's case, right?

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    Not Just FBI. TES unusually absent. LE not giving out info/press releases posssibly because she is a minor and our laws do not permit release of certain info.
    Searchers dwindled. No evidence of crime sceen. Tests are being run results not back. Maybe a male close to the family has info...
    curiouser and curiouser...
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    I don't have a link so I hope this is okay to post. A detective friend of my husband and I, back in the early days of Kyron's case, had told us it's when a child is classified as a stranger abduction that they're put on the FBI's list.

    Later, the head of NCMEC said in an article that Kyron was classified in that category. I can't remember what the category is called, but it's the one with 115 children a year in it, or currently has 115 children in it. I just can't remember. I can look it up. It's in the DOJ document of child abduction stats. This category isn't the same as the missing/endangered classification.

    Anyway, Hailey not being on the FBI list tells me she's not in that 115 stranger abduction category, and together with Shawn being a named suspect, which tells me they have evidence he did it, tells me they're very sure Shawn did this.

    Also there have been no statements whatever from LE about safety of other children in the area. I noted in Kyron's case how Staton kept mentioning concerns about public safety. But this case, there's nada.

    I see all signs that LE has strong evidence that Shawn, the named suspect, did this, so that looks to me like the reason they wouldn't have Hailey on the FBI list.

    Just started my first cup of coffee, so this probably makes no sense whatever. Please pretend it does.

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    BeanE - I think this may be what you're referring to:

    ALEXANDRIA, VA - Every year in America an estimated 800,000 children are reported missing, more than 2,000 children each day. Of that number, 200,000 are abducted by family members, and 58,000 are abducted by non-family members. The primary motive for non-family abductions is sexual. Each year 115 children are the victims of the most serious abductions, taken by non-family members and either murdered, held for ransom, or taken with the intent to keep.

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...US&PageId=4046
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    I don't have a link so I hope this is okay to post. A detective friend of my husband and I, back in the early days of Kyron's case, had told us it's when a child is classified as a stranger abduction that they're put on the FBI's list.

    Later, the head of NCMEC said in an article that Kyron was classified in that category. I can't remember what the category is called, but it's the one with 115 children a year in it, or currently has 115 children in it. I just can't remember. I can look it up. It's in the DOJ document of child abduction stats. This category isn't the same as the missing/endangered classification.

    Anyway, Hailey not being on the FBI list tells me she's not in that 115 stranger abduction category, and together with Shawn being a named suspect, which tells me they have evidence he did it, tells me they're very sure Shawn did this.

    Also there have been no statements whatever from LE about safety of other children in the area. I noted in Kyron's case how Staton kept mentioning concerns about public safety. But this case, there's nada.

    I see all signs that LE has strong evidence that Shawn, the named suspect, did this, so that looks to me like the reason they wouldn't have Hailey on the FBI list.

    Just started my first cup of coffee, so this probably makes no sense whatever. Please pretend it does.
    Makes sense to me.

    I wonder what evidence they do have, then. They could have found clothes matching the description of what she was wearing in the landfill and waiting on tests to confirm it was hers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
    BeanE - I think this may be what you're referring to:

    ALEXANDRIA, VA - Every year in America an estimated 800,000 children are reported missing, more than 2,000 children each day. Of that number, 200,000 are abducted by family members, and 58,000 are abducted by non-family members. The primary motive for non-family abductions is sexual. Each year 115 children are the victims of the most serious abductions, taken by non-family members and either murdered, held for ransom, or taken with the intent to keep.

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...US&PageId=4046
    Yep those are the stats. On this page on NCMEC:
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...US&PageId=2810

    if you scroll down, there are PDF files with the Department of Justice stats those figures are from.

    The stats are a mess. There was a huge thing when they came out because of the way they processed the stats. I really wish they'd do a new study. It's way past time for a new go at it.

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    It's interesting that the number is 115 which equals out to about 3/day. When was the last time we had a stranger abduction/murder case on here? It seems like most of the cases posted on the Missing/Located board involve family members or friends. We hear about runaways on that forum so I feel we would definitely hear about stranger abductions.

    I guess Lindsey Baum might be a stranger abduction...and Somer Thompson was....but those are two cases that happened 1-2 years ago.

    ETA: But if they're saying that Kyron is a stranger abduction, when that definitely has not been confirmed in anyway, then there might be a few cases listed in that 115 that truly aren't stranger abductions, like Samantha Runnion's was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye View Post
    It's interesting that the number is 115 which equals out to about 3/day. When was the last time we had a stranger abduction/murder case on here? It seems like most of the cases posted on the Missing/Located board involve family members or friends. We hear about runaways on that forum so I feel we would definitely hear about stranger abductions.

    I guess Lindsey Baum might be a stranger abduction...and Somer Thompson was....but those are two cases that happened 1-2 years ago.

    ETA: But if they're saying that Kyron is a stranger abduction, when that definitely has not been confirmed in anyway, then there might be a few cases listed in that 115 that truly aren't stranger abductions, like Samantha Runnion's was.
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    I think the 115 cases a year is a gross underestimation. We just dont see all the teens listed as runaways across the country that are not runaways. The stranger abducting over and over again that no one has caught.

    Of Course Stranger abductions are listed as rare. It is hard to know for sure what has happen until the resolution of the case which never happens if the victim is not found or the perp not caught. IMO.


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    I believe that all the evidence, all the twisrted changing stories, point to the two adults in the house where Hailey was not in her house.

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    I was wondering who the FBI representive in charge of the missing kids division in Hailey's region is. Does anyone know? Who's in charge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    Amber Dubois , and Chelsea King. Jaycee dugard.


    I think the 115 cases a year is a gross underestimation. We just dont see all the teens listed as runaways across the country that are not runaways. The stranger abducting over and over again that no one has caught.

    Of Course Stranger abductions are listed as rare. It is hard to know for sure what has happen until the resolution of the case which never happens if the victim is not found or the perp not caught. IMO.
    IMO, the teens who are listed as runaways, in the vast majority of cases, are runaways. And if they weren't runaways, then it's more likely they were kidnapped by someone they know. To be kidnapped and murdered by someone you never met before, never saw before, a complete stranger, is extremely rare. Most victims have a connection to their killer. I'm sure they did miss some cases with that 115 number since some cases are not resolved but I don't think the number is that much higher. After all, we can only find a few cases over a 20-year time span that were stranger abductions. And even if a case hasn't been resolved, I believe they'll still list the case as a stranger abduction if that's where the evidence points....Is Jacob Wetterling or Lindsey Baum listed as a stranger abduction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    I don't have a link so I hope this is okay to post. A detective friend of my husband and I, back in the early days of Kyron's case, had told us it's when a child is classified as a stranger abduction that they're put on the FBI's list.

    Later, the head of NCMEC said in an article that Kyron was classified in that category. I can't remember what the category is called, but it's the one with 115 children a year in it, or currently has 115 children in it. I just can't remember. I can look it up. It's in the DOJ document of child abduction stats. This category isn't the same as the missing/endangered classification.

    Anyway, Hailey not being on the FBI list tells me she's not in that 115 stranger abduction category, and together with Shawn being a named suspect, which tells me they have evidence he did it, tells me they're very sure Shawn did this.

    Also there have been no statements whatever from LE about safety of other children in the area. I noted in Kyron's case how Staton kept mentioning concerns about public safety. But this case, there's nada.

    I see all signs that LE has strong evidence that Shawn, the named suspect, did this, so that looks to me like the reason they wouldn't have Hailey on the FBI list.

    Just started my first cup of coffee, so this probably makes no sense whatever. Please pretend it does.
    BBM I found that very unusual from day 1..........like LE knew!
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    I dont believe statistics can ever reflect the true numbers of actual stranger abductions and murders until they can find a way to solve every case. I think in some cases their Statistics work agaisnt them.
    IMO

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