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    OH - Grandparents lock girl in bathroom for 6 years

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...=cmg_cntnt_rss

    Two Dayton residents have been accused of keeping a elementary-school aged girl locked in an apartment for six years, letting her out only to go to school.Brian G. Hart, 50, and his wife Rivae L. Hart, 49, have been in the Montgomery County Jail since Jan. 27. They were indicted Feb. 4 on charges of kidnapping — a first degree felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison — and third-degree felony child endangering, punishable by up to five years in prison.


    The girl told a school nurse about her captivity, and the nurse contacted children services, Tolpin said.
    Stevens said children services opened a case on Jan. 18. She said the girl was singled out for the treatment.
    Tolpin said the girl was locked in a bathroom, barricaded behind two dressers, from the time she came up from school until the time she left again the next morning.
    “Meals were inconsistent at best and basically the living conditions were deplorable,” Tolpin said.
    The girl slept on a fold-up cot with a blanket but no pillow, Tolpin said.
    The Harts told police that they started locking up the girl when she started exhibiting behavioral problems at age 3, Tolpin said.
    However, a psychologist examined the girl back then and said her actions were normal for a 3-year-old, though the Harts disagreed, Tolpin said.


    I just cannot understand people like this or their logic and reasoning. I am glad that the school nurse listened to this little girl and reported the abuse to Child Services. Too bad that it did not happen 3 years earlier the first time she told an adult at school.

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    Tolpin said, "Meals were inconsistent at best. Basically, the living conditions were deplorable by any means."
    http://www.whiotv.com/news/26795385/detail.html

    Article says it was a half bath.

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    I've recently been researching to see if I can find an update on the Andrea and Scott Bass case. They are the parents who also singled out a child for bathroom lock-up. I've seen nothing.

    Rather than seek help, people do the most deplorable things to "control" children. I honestly don't get it. Weren't the couple worried that the child would tell? I wonder if an adoption subsidy or foster payment played a part in this. I'd really like to know more about this case. If the child does indeed have behavior issues, there are many options available and the school would have been a part of the team to access them. Something isn't quite right when a child only acts out at home.

    And sadly, if she didn't have issues before, she will now.

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    Thank goodness this poor girl told the nurse! Who knows what kind of mental abuse she endured that might have made her think that she wasn't good enough for help!

    Family members can be the most despicable people, sometimes.

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    Bless the school nurse who didn't turn her back on this child. May the rest of her life be filled with love and understanding.

    As far as the so called grand-parents --well they're obviously no so grand!

    Mel

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    from the article in the first link above:

    "Apparently, the girl confided with some adults when she was in the first grade, but nothing happened, so she had a distrust toward adults, Tolpin said"

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    "some adults" - this is what happens when a caring, trained adult actually listens to a child and acts, wherease "some adults" are a-hole idiots who are too afraid to get involved and ignore a child's cry.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    I've recently been researching to see if I can find an update on the Andrea and Scott Bass case. They are the parents who also singled out a child for bathroom lock-up. I've seen nothing.

    Rather than seek help, people do the most deplorable things to "control" children. I honestly don't get it. Weren't the couple worried that the child would tell? I wonder if an adoption subsidy or foster payment played a part in this. I'd really like to know more about this case. If the child does indeed have behavior issues, there are many options available and the school would have been a part of the team to access them. Something isn't quite right when a child only acts out at home.

    And sadly, if she didn't have issues before, she will now.
    She was 3! She wasn't old enough to tell if she had behavior issues! And any later issues she had couldn't have been too bad if she went into the bathroom on her own after school and didn't kick and scream.

    I keep trying to imagine me, at my age sitting in a room alone from 3:30/4 pm til bedtime. No TV, no radio, no computer, no knitting. No nothing.

    Hearing the sounds of the household on the other side of the door, but completely isolated from it.

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    I saw this first thing this morning on the newsite I check daily. I knew you all would have a thread for this poor child. I am livid at these parents! BEHAVIORAL problems?? At 3?? That consisted of what - her not staying out of nonos? Her not being fully potty trained? What exactly do these heartless [insert epitaph here]'s consider behaioral problems in a 3 year old child?

    I am so heartbroken that this poor girl tried before to reach out for help (a scary thing indeed for achild who has known nothing but abuse and imprisonment nearly her entire life) and was ignored.

    I am so thankful this child gathered her courage and tried again by telling this school nurse. Thank you to this person, who finally, after all these years, heard this child and saw her pain.
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    I'm so glad this girl had the courage to tell an adult again and thankful someone listened to her this time.

    A little OT, but I reported something to a school teacher when I was in 8th grade. I reported this to a then kindgergarten teacher and the child I witnessed being thrown around by another teacher. I was told to mind my own business. So I did. It wasn't until I became an adult it occured to me I should have sought out the childs parents or told my parents, but I did not think of doing either in 8th grade.

    I have taught my son, if he tells and someone does not believe him he must try another adult. I also used the above story as an example for my son. Kids needs to be heard and they need to know adults can be trusted.

    Kudos to the school nurse who listened and for this little girl having the courage to trust again.

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    Folks--I am not defending these grandparents at all...not in the least. But please please listen to me when I say that most definitely 3 year old children can have tremendous behavior problems. We had a daughter, adopted from Haiti, who was diagnosed with homicidal tendencies one month shy of her fourth birthday. She would bite you hard enough to bring blood and giggle. She killed a large dog in the home she was taken to after she left us. She's still not fully verbal at age 22 and lives in a treatment home. So yes, children can be completely uncontrollable at very early ages. In fact, if you do some checking, preschool ages are when many serious disorders are diagnosed ie. Spectrum Disorder, serious ADHD, anxiety disorders, and Conduct Disorder.

    Now I am not saying that this child has these diagnoses at all. I am just trying to educate that they most certainly exist in children so young....especially if the child's health has been compromised in some manner ie parental drug use or extreme prematurity. Notice, grandparents are raising this little girl. There's bound to be a reason for that. And also notice that this child was taken to a psychiatrist. IMO, something was going on.

    Concerning the isolation, I can speak to that also. I lived for 6 years and five months cloistered in a bedroom, only faintly hearing the sounds of my family due to my degenerative disorder. I was totally bedbound and wore special earplugs to prevent seizures. I know the pain that this child endured. It's enough to break your heart and/or your spirit.

    Now I live alone, 20 miles away from any family and never see anyone. You guys are the only ones I ever talk to. But I have the freedom of not hearing the sounds of happiness and daily life. I keep myself busy. I have my knitting, my books, and my little dogs....total peacefulness. Isolation hurts. It hurts badly. But I chose it as the lesser of two evils. This child didn't get to make that choice.

    My prayers are with this child. Hopefully, she will be thoroughly evaluated and her needs met.


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    I wanted to add that even in treatment homes, isolation is never used any more. It's been found to be contra-indicated in almost every instance. Children who are acting out need to be kept close by so they can be watched carefully. Even foster parents are forbidden from using any "go to your room" time-outs. All time-outs have to be in the main part of the home. Children might be acting out but they still require a caring adult close by.

    The days of the locked or padded rooms for children are long gone--proven to not work and to be abusive.

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    My grandsons' timeouts are always in their room. If they think they have an audience,they don't have a reset. They just continue. I send them to their room for some alone time to regroup. They know they can come out when their attitude changes. Usually, they are over it in about three or four minutes. If they come out and start up again they go back. That doesn't happen much any more because they know the drill. This works for us and I don't think there's any harm in it since they know they are the ones in control of how long they stay in their room.

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    Alsmom, I'm glad this is working for you - I remember my mother pulling her hair out over my younger sister - if sent to her room she would say, Good! I wanted to go to my room and be heard singing in there! LOL.

    These beings need to be locked up, isolated and alone while everyone else lives in the next room. What their treatment has done to this child and any siblings is heartbreaking.

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    I wonder how old the girl was when the grandparents got her?

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    alsmom--That's the way it is in most families. That's exactly what I did with our three eldest birth sons and then our two daughters adopted in infancy from Korea. However, I was speaking above (I should have clarified this) about children with any sort of special need or under the jurisdiction of the state. Isolation is prohibited in foster care or treatment homes. It is also not permitted in schools anymore, at least not in the states that I've done advocacy. And it is never suggested for children who are adopted past infancy, due to issues of abandonment. These kids absolutely must be shown that you are there for them, come hell or high water.

    We got very creative and used a kitchen stool. The child was asked to bring the stool close to wherever I was working and to sit there until they "centered" themselves and calmed down. They were often offered an incentive ie. "When you calm down, I'll be able to start dinner" or "When you get things under control, you can go back outside to play". It was totally up to them as to how long that took. We never lectured or talked to them while they were "thinking". In fact we had a number of kitchen stools for this purpose. I think we topped out at six. And yes, I have had all six filled for short periods of time as our eight youngest are very close in age. As they grew up, the stools found new homes. To this day, I can get any one of them (and they are all adults) to crack up by asking, "Do you need to sit on a stool?"

    I learned this trick at an adoption conference and it served us so well that our eldest, healthy children who have children of their own took up the practice.

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