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    Handcuffed teen confined to room

    Police: A punishment from his mom for shoplifting

    Updated: Thursday, 10 Feb 2011, 11:13 AM EST
    Published : Thursday, 10 Feb 2011, 11:13 AM EST

    BERRIEN SPRINGS, Mich. (WOOD) - A teenager had been handcuffed to a chair and confined to a room in his home the past three weeks -- a punishment from his mother for shoplifting, police said.

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    The comments on that article make my head hurt.

    Good grief.

    When is it ever okay to handcuff anyone to a piece of furniture for hours much less weeks?

    This is so above and beyond I can't even comment right now. Ugh.

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    http://www.southbendtribune.com/arti.../-1/googleNews
    Mother accused of handcuffing son to chair
    Boy told police he was put in room after shoplifting arrest.

    By JOHN PAUL
    WSBT-TV Reporter
    February 11. 2011 6:59AM

    According to a Berrien Springs-Oronoko Township Police release the boy told police he had been handcuffed to a kitchen chair after he was arrested three weeks ago for shoplifting. As punishment, his mother confined him to a 6-foot by 4-foot room with only a Bible and told him to think about what he'd done.

    Roughly two weeks ago, when the teen's mother found out he'd somehow gotten an MP3 player, he was then handcuffed to a chair in his room from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m. Meals were brought to him. At bedtime, the teen was handcuffed to a desk leg, the report said.

    The mother provided the teen with bottled water and a bell to ring if he needed to go to the bathroom. He was allowed outside only to shovel snow.
    Seemingly the handcuffs didn't come into play until he broke the rule she set up for punishment. He spent one week in the room, supposedly reading the Bible and thinking about his crime, when he got smart and smuggled a MP3 player into the room and the mom went off. He was being fed, given water, taken to the restroom, he slept in his bed-not the floor, there was a window in the room, he had a bell to call her if he needed her.....

    Sounds to me like she was trying to give him a taste of what he will be in for if he does not change his ways.....
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    I don't see the problem exactly. Teens live without any fear whatsoever from their parents as nothing can be done to them that equals punishment anymore. As long as he was fed and the only punishment was confinement, he had a lesson to learn because that is where his life was headed in prison if he kept up his theiving ways.
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    To me this sounds like a fed up mom trying to impress upon her son, who seems to be headed down a bad path, that he really needs to rethink where he is headed. While I don't think I might have gone quite that far, the child was not beaten, neglected, harmed, etc.

    I am not sure how long this "grounding" was supposed to last, but seriously, we see a lot more situations that seem to be more clearly abusive and dangerous, even life threatening to children every day that do not get the sort of reaction needed to protect kids. I think this one may be much ado about (well not nothing, but) a very small something, all things considered.

    ETA it feels wrong to me, but I can also see where a mother of a teenage son, trying to instill values might reach a point where physically restraining him to enforce a grounding might be the only way she sees to enforce the punishment. Teenage boys can often go through a phase where they try to "throw their weight around" with mom. Several single moms I know right now are struggling with how to discipline their teen sons, who have begun attempting to physcially intimidate their moms.
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    I'm sorry, but I don't think even prisons are allowed to chain someone in one place for 10 to 12 hours at a time.

    For the sake of argument, I will assume this mother wasn't a sadist, she was just at her wit's end with a growing son and didn't know what else to do.

    Unfortunately, however, that's a place lots of us reach with our kids at some point and we don't get to torture them because we've run out of creative punishments. And if that means they eventually screw up so badly they attract attention from the authorities, well, then they do.

    And frankly, once you get to the point where you chain up your kid with a Bible, you've pretty much already lost the battle, IMHO.

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    I hear ya Nova, as I said, wouldn't be an option I woud consider, just saying, these threads are full of cases where CPS was called repeatedly about physical abuse, starvation, etc and they turn a blind eye. In this case they jumped right in there. I wish things were more level as regards reaction of authorities from case to case rather than such differing responses to abuse/neglect calls. I hope this mother is being monitored and given access to some resources that will help her find more socially acceptable ways to keep this kid on the straight and narrow.
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    I'm a little surprised at how many people seem to feel that the "motivation" on the part of the mother makes a difference in judging her actions.

    It is NOT legal to handcuff a teenager! Whether she meant well or not, this woman committed a crime. When a parent gets to her wits end, there are agencies she can call for help, she doesn't need to resort to criminal activity!!

    I can just about guarantee this woman that the Bible is going to have very, very negative connotations for her son from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgeaux View Post
    I'm a little surprised at how many people seem to feel that the "motivation" on the part of the mother makes a difference in judging her actions.

    It is NOT legal to handcuff a teenager! Whether she meant well or not, this woman committed a crime. When a parent gets to her wits end, there are agencies she can call for help, she doesn't need to resort to criminal activity!!

    I can just about guarantee this woman that the Bible is going to have very, very negative connotations for her son from now on.
    Great point, that last one, kgeaux! And great post.

    I don't really know anything about the mother, but I think it's a more interesting issue if we assume her intentions were good. If she's just abusing her kid for kicks, then I assume we'll all agree she's in the wrong.

    Assuming the best of the mother, however, I'm still with you. Parents do not get to handcuff teens to furniture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    I hear ya Nova, as I said, wouldn't be an option I woud consider, just saying, these threads are full of cases where CPS was called repeatedly about physical abuse, starvation, etc and they turn a blind eye. In this case they jumped right in there. I wish things were more level as regards reaction of authorities from case to case rather than such differing responses to abuse/neglect calls. I hope this mother is being monitored and given access to some resources that will help her find more socially acceptable ways to keep this kid on the straight and narrow.
    I don't know why the response was so sure in this case. Maybe it's the jurisdiction, or maybe it's that the issue is more clear cut. "Neglect" and "spanking" may require more subjective judgment calls.


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    did she handcuff him while he was outside shoveling snow?

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    http://www.southbendtribune.com/arti.../-1/googleNews

    No charges in handcuffing
    Prosecutor recommends action in family court instead.

    By TOM MOOR
    Tribune Staff Writer

    In a news release Monday, Berrien County Prosecutor Art Cotter said that after interviews with the boy, along with his parents’ openness to counseling, he did not believe it to be in the best interest of the family to pursue charges.
    The boy, his mother and his sister moved to Berrien Springs last summer, while their father remained in Colorado to finish work. The boy was pulled from school by his mother and home-schooled after the shoplifting offense.
    Prosecutors said the teenager was not injured and was able to move during the day by picking up the chair, and could have left the house if needed. At night he was unable to move as he was handcuffed to the desk.
    The parents reportedly told the prosecutor they used poor judgment by using the handcuffs and that their actions - although misguided - arose out of a genuine concern for their son’s life, health, safety and threats to run away.
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    I'm good with that decision. I don't see what would be served by sending the mother to prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgeaux View Post
    It is NOT legal to handcuff a teenager! Whether she meant well or not, this woman committed a crime. When a parent gets to her wits end, there are agencies she can call for help, she doesn't need to resort to criminal activity!!

    I can just about guarantee this woman that the Bible is going to have very, very negative connotations for her son from now on.
    While I understand the point you are making, with all due respect there are multiple threads on this board of parents calling those agencies to which you refer only to be told there is nothing they can do until the individual harms themself or someone else. I do not see how that was going to help this woman in this situation. Everyone agrees that she went too far but I appreciate that she was at least trying, as misguided as her attempt was - the child was not harmed, he even said so himself. There are many more threads on this board of *parents* who simply cannot be bothered to even attempt to correct their offspring's behavior.....

    As far as the Bible having negative connotations for him after this, I would sincerely hope that shoplifting would have worse connotations. I would be willing to bet he was not a heavy Bible reader before this incident, so I doubt he was significantly harmed by this; Not like it ruined something he otherwise enjoyed.
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    They may not have pressed charges but that doesn't make this right in any moral sense I can think of.

    Kids have a right not to be handcuffed and held prisoner, for heaven's sake. If he had been a younger boy then people would be screaming "abuse!" And I feel sorry for this child that the authorities decided he should go right back home to a nuthouse. JMOO

    Having a Bible in the room to make the point that it was done out of kindness shouldn't give this any credence in a court of law.

    I find it hard to believe there's even a debate about this. Parent's don't "own" their children. They can't use whatever punishment comes to mind when it's against the law.

    "Trying" is one thing ~ we all have our moments with teenagers when we want to save them from themselves and wish we could lock them in their rooms. But it doesn't work.

    I feel sorry for these parents. I think this boy will probably leave home as quickly as he can as soon as he turns 18. That is, if he doesn't have mental problems from being abused.

    God help me, between this story and the one about the mother shooting her teenagers for talking back, it makes me wonder what the hell is going on in this country.

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