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    Getting started - for newbies in this case - Q & A

    I don't know about everyone else, but this is all new to me! So I'm starting a thread for case newbies!

    When did this first hit the news?

    Do they talk about the Highway of Tears in Canada a lot?

    Do they think any cases in the US have to do with this possible serial killer?

    I'm just floored by this case!

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    I had never heard of it but once the forum formed I did a lot of research last night to try and catch up. I am shocked that so many women and girls have gone missing or are unsolved murders in the area. I feel there may be a combination of things at play here.

    I think there may have been several serial killers at play over the last forty years as well as a very real possibility that sex trafficking may be to blame for some of the disappearances.

    I must admit, I am extremely unschooled in Candadian culture and was unaware the aboriginal peoples suffered such poverty and disregard historically there.

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    I have to wonder why we haven't heard of this before? Before I'd been to WS, I had heard of the Green River Killer and yet these girls are just across the border? It's really really SAD!

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    Canadian here,

    I'm originally from British Columbia and lived in Vancouver for 11 years. I also lived for a very short time in Prince George. I now live in Calgary, Alberta which is the neighboring province(which is like a state :P) If you have any questions about Canada let me know.

    I also work for the telephone company for the Provinces of Alberta and BC. There is just the one MAJOR phone company. I dispatch technicians all over the province on emergency Network and cable issues so EVERYDAY I deal with the geography of BC and AB(Alberta)


    As far as the LOCATION of the highway of tears, it's far north. Northern BC, northern AB. The northern parts of all provinces are FAR FAR less occupied. I will find a map that shows the geographical lay out of the population in these provinces to give you an idea. Most people live in the lower or more central parts of the province. The northern parts are very mountainous, Cold, and very forested or uninhabitable. Additionally, it's easier to live closer to the states just for trade alone. No point living in BF Northern BC unless you are a logger, a miner, or other various industrial worker. Well, that's not entirely true.


    With 3.5 persons per square kilometre, Canada is one of the countries with the lowest population densities ... so we have a huge chunk of land, but we only live in the lower half. ha ha. Here is a link to a map for the 2006 population density of Canada although it's not a great map. http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/englis...006/popden2006

    I will look for more.


    Here is a better one. It will give you a better idea. http://maps.howstuffworks.com/canada...ensity-map.htm

    I think a big PART of the reason that this has been happening along this stretch of Highway is that it is such a LARGE, unpopulated, unpatrolled highway.
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    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Highway_16[/ame]

    here is Wikipedia with some pretty good info about Highway 16
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    Thanks! I guess I didn't make it to the thread that explained the location more clearly yet.

    So, with this area less densely populated, I am even more aghast that they girls may have met their fate at the hands of only one person!

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    I don't think that the police are looking for one suspect. I think there may well be one solid serial offender but I think the major problem is the social assistance, or lack there of, in remote rural communities in BC and AB. So many small towns, reservations and communities go with out adequate policing, social programs for children, job training, community resourcing, or addictions assistance. Many of these girls who have disappeared have been hitchhikers, alcoholics, drug addicts and from lower income families. With out the property community supports in place to help people, there will be social issues. What I perceive happening is that some one person may have started a career of serial homicides and various attacks on girls, and over the years it has slowly evolved. People from this area would know what kind of policing is available. They will possibly have seen and heard about many girls in the communities who have gone missing or wound up murdered. If a community or many northern communities, or even a people, live without law or consequence, witnessing the law enforcement fail to put a stop to those murders, it would stand to reason that, perhaps more than one person would take advantage of this situation.

    Moo, but alcoholism, drug abuse, racism, poverty, abuse, unemployment and violence are rampant among many northern towns, reservations and communities. A large majority of these women and girls are aboriginal, which to me shows the attitude these communities have toward aboriginal women.

    I suggest this article as it says a lot between the lines.

    http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_north/...116089164.html


    "Carrier Sekani Tribal Council vice-chief Terry Teegee said with so many aboriginal girls and young women missing or murdered, the scope of the inquiry is simply too vast.
    "I recommend you look at the root causes: the situation in our communities. Our communities that have a lack of services. Our communities that have a lack of infrastructure," Teegee said."
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    Now that I typed all that out I'm saddened because what it boils down to is the p!ss poor social assistance that this country provides our aboriginal people and their communities. It's like a form of apartheid.

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Canada.....-a0145268551
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    Here is a bit about another serial killer from saskatchen who almost no one in Canada knows ever existed. Just killing native women. It's not a case of one man but one huge issue. It's a black ugly mark on the face of our country.

    http://www.missingpeople.net/serial_...d_saskato1.htm
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    I found this resource online from Statistics Canada. There is an entire section exploring data taken from the Aboriginal population (i.e. those who self-identified as being Aboriginal) and violence against Aboriginal men and women versus non-Aboriginals. Interesting to note that the highest group that committed violence against Native women are acquaintances. For non-Aboriginals, the highest group to commit violence against women are spouses. I think because of these stats from 2006, LE should be considering acquaintances first in the cases of these women and then their spouses and family members. There is a whole lot of good general info in this report.
    I wish I could copy/paste this table, but go to pdf page 68. The Aboriginal section begins at page 64.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-570-...006001-eng.pdf


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    Does anyone else think it would help to understand the Law Enforcement systems and Hierarchies in Canada? And there is some differences in terminology too. IE : detachment would that be equal to a precinct??
    JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redkatrampant View Post
    Does anyone else think it would help to understand the Law Enforcement systems and Hierarchies in Canada? And there is some differences in terminology too. IE : detachment would that be equal to a precinct??
    Wow, brilliant idea. We could certainly start a thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ssejors View Post
    Wow, brilliant idea. We could certainly start a thread!
    I think a thread on the Canadian legal system might be a good idea in the Resources forum.

    Though, from my experience, whenever anyone starts talking about the Canadian legal system, it gets kind of kicked around on WS, so I tend to avoid the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    I don't know about everyone else, but this is all new to me! So I'm starting a thread for case newbies!

    When did this first hit the news?

    Do they talk about the Highway of Tears in Canada a lot?

    Do they think any cases in the US have to do with this possible serial killer?

    I'm just floored by this case!
    I have heard of the hitchhiker disappearances for a long while, since the mid-90s, IIRC. (I'm from Nova Scotia originally, so I was likely a late comer to the case - but I watched a lot of CBC as a kid.) I think the initial big attention was the 1980 "highway murders" investigations, which looked at more than just Highway 16. Then, it was really Nicole Hoar's disappearance in 2002 that launched the mystery into national attention - sadly, because Nicole is often described as one of the first non-Aboriginal victims, perhaps (though she is one of 8 non-Native women on the list of 18). The Pickton case (2002) likely also highlighted the Highway missing. In 2009, when the RCMP seemed hot on the trail of Hoar's remains, the case seemed to get a boost, and does so with each new victim - the latest being Maas in 2010.

    AFAIK, quite a few Canadians have heard about the Highway, but awareness and concern is not where it should be, given the seriousness of the issue. Recent inquests and renewal of investigations seem to help, and I get the sense this is about to become something really big - people really can't let this issue slide any more.

    I am not sure about American cases, though I would eventually like to start researching possible missing persons from the US who might be involved. AFAIK, the only American connection that has been discussed is the old theory that Ted Bundy (who was known to travel in western Canada) may have victims in this region - I don't think that theory went anywhere, though.

    And, as far as this case not being a huge thing in the States, I am not terribly surprised. In general, Canadians tend to know more American news than vice versa, simply because that is the way the media works, IME.

    I am thrilled to have this case on WS, and have long hoped we would have a Highway of Tears project here. I am very pleased that so many members are learning more or hearing for this case for the first time. Information really needs to get out there. This situation has gone on way, way too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Thanks! I guess I didn't make it to the thread that explained the location more clearly yet.

    So, with this area less densely populated, I am even more aghast that they girls may have met their fate at the hands of only one person!
    I still don't believe there is a single Highway killer. I think it has been multiple killers over the decades, taking advantage of the situation.

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