1541 users online (224 members and 1317 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 59
  1. #1

    Interest in Porn, Vampires and Death - A clue to murder?

    My intent is to move this thread to the WS Resource Center at some point, but I thought you guys might be interested in discussing this topic here first.

    The information about Shawn Adkins having the masks, and those videos (which are discussed in detail in the private forum) and now the porn - this all reminds me and a friend of mine of NG's Missing show a couple of nights ago. They were talking about James Hataway. Hataway is a POI in the disappearance of Tracy Ocasio. He is in jail right now for the attempted murder of another girl and the attack was brutal. (You can read about that on this link too).

    Here's what was said about items found in Hataway's home:

    CASAREZ: To Marlaina Schiavo, NANCY GRACE producer, after James Hataway was arrested, they actually executed a search warrant at the home. He lived with his father. They took computers from the home. What did they find on the hard drive?

    MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Jean, they found multiple searches about murders, suicide, cannibalism, vampires, and as a matter of fact, after police started questioning him about Tracy Ocasio, they found that he was searching, researching suicide for several hours.

    CASAREZ: Now, we don`t know exactly who was doing that research. All of that research on the computer, because his father did live in the home. It was a computer that they both may have used, but police definitely looked at that, that someone was researching serial killers and murder and cannibalism.


    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../24/ng.01.html

    Thoughts on this type of interest? You are welcome to discuss the social impact of this kind of behavior as well as whether this gives us a picture of Shawn. As mentioned, I do plan on moving this thread as I believe it is going to pertain to a lot more cases in the future.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    162
    I think if you open yourself to darkness, it will come in.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    STEELER COUNTRY!
    Posts
    27,332
    In the wrong mind (sociopath) it all can trigger disaster.
    IIRC Ted Bundy said 'porn' started him on his way to killing...............
    Kyron, HALEIGH, ADJI & Gabriel NEEDS PRAYERS NOW TO FIND THEM!. Zahra & Jonathan in heaven
    Justice for Hailey!!!!
    No Justice for Caylee Marie..........

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    7,503
    I spent hours researching suicide when Kelly Catalano suspossedly drown herself to end her life. Then again when my uncle shot himself. Probably other cases too. I have googled everything under the sun and followed the pickton murders and Had prints out of the 100 something woman missing from the area, that I had printed before they caught him and knocked the missing woman list to 40.
    I researched cults , murders , the way bodies come apart after being weighted down.
    I joined IMVU and went to some disturbing places. Something things are not what they appear to be. I google phrases sometimes that make me afraid to hit enter.

    I wouldnt want to draw conclusion on every suspect because of content on their computers. When that stuff is found an independant psychological examination would be needed to draw conclusions as to the propensity towards violence. Without using the content as a marker. IMO. You really cant tell how it interest someone by seeing what they are looking at. If the potential for violence is there ,then the content should be factored into the their psych profile.

    Normal healty people should not have to defend their interest.
    Last edited by Soulmagent; 02-26-2011 at 06:53 PM.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    East Texas
    Posts
    7,472
    Quote Originally Posted by noneareworthy View Post
    I think if you open yourself to darkness, it will come in.
    I totally agree with you. And this has been my thought all along. I believe if you have these things in your home, in your mind and part of your life you are asking the devil to come in. I don't watch those movies or read any of those kind of books for that very reason. jmo

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Rural Alabama
    Posts
    2,488
    I haven't seen anything that indicates Shawn is into vampires and porn is pretty much ubiquitous in our society but looking at him closer I see some things that are very worrying in his case:

    - Cruelty towards animals (talk about cutting up deer with chainsaw that seemed for fun and allegation of having pics of bestiality)

    - Some of his posts on the Michael Myers forum seem antisocial even for that crowd.

    - Allegation of having child porn.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    East Texas
    Posts
    7,472
    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Fries View Post
    I haven't seen anything that indicates Shawn is into vampires and porn is pretty much ubiquitous in our society but looking at him closer I see some things that are very worrying in his case:

    - Cruelty towards animals (talk about cutting up deer with chainsaw that seemed for fun and allegation of having pics of bestiality)

    - Some of his posts on the Michael Myers forum seem antisocial even for that crowd.

    - Allegation of having child porn.
    We don't know what LE considers under the title 'deviant acts'. Personally I think vampires, werewolves, etc can be classed as definitely deviant. jmo

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Hinky Hollow
    Posts
    15,013
    Well, I have read all the Vampire books w/Sookie. (sp?) I read murder cases. And this might come as a surprise to some but... I've even seen a porn or two. Actually I took my 85 year old Gramma to the xxx flicks once because she "wanted to see if they had invented anything new". (She said they hadn't.) But I digress. And I've never killed/hurt/kidnapped or otherwise hurt anyone. I think if you are whacked, you are just whacked. I don't think these things pushed them over the edge, they had fell off already. They might have an interest in these things which definitely add a "sellability" to them, but other than that no.

    ps......I think there is a certain "bad boy sexiness" to vampires. lol. Does this mean I'm deviant?
    If there's hink....there must be stink.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Rural Alabama
    Posts
    2,488
    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    I totally agree with you. And this has been my thought all along. I believe if you have these things in your home, in your mind and part of your life you are asking the devil to come in. I don't watch those movies or read any of those kind of books for that very reason. jmo
    I have to respectfully disagree with this. I don't think those things can turn a good person into a murderer. I tried to watch the movie "The Collector" when it was on a few nights ago and I just couldn't take it. It seemed too senselessly violent to me. But those movies are very popular, millions of people enjoy them and it doesn't make them kill. I really doubt watching them would turn you into a murderer. I boxed, wrestled and played football when I was younger so I follow the sports of football and mixed martial arts, which are very violent sports, but that doesn't make me want to attack people. Now something like meth can make a normal person paranoid and dangerous but that's a very different thing.

    I don't have much more than a rudimentary grasp of psychology but from what I have seen of Shawn I think he does have some very troubling aspects of his personality. I don't know if his media choices exacerbate that or if what he is drawn to is just a manifestation of it, but I do think that his behaviour in the realm of porn or horror films is creepy even for those areas.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    East Texas
    Posts
    7,472
    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
    Well, I have read all the Vampire books w/Sookie. (sp?) I read murder cases. And this might come as a surprise to some but... I've even seen a porn or two. Actually I took my 85 year old Gramma to the xxx flicks once because she "wanted to see if they had invented anything new". (She said they hadn't.) But I digress. And I've never killed/hurt/kidnapped or otherwise hurt anyone. I think if you are whacked, you are just whacked. I don't think these things pushed them over the edge, they had fell off already. They might have an interest in these things which definitely add a "sellability" to them, but other than that no.

    ps......I think there is a certain "bad boy sexiness" to vampires. lol. Does this mean I'm deviant?
    I think you become deviant when you start sucking blood.


  11. #11
    It was Billie who was researching murders, IIRC from the affidavit. She said it was a hobby of hers.

    Shawn's thing seemed to be dressing up and acting out the Michael Myers stuff. Collecting the masks.

    I think Billie's research into torture and murder, and Shawn's penchant for dressing up and acting it out, combined their drug use especially, was a recipe for disaster. I'm surprised the people around them didn't see what was coming.

    Well, Hailey saw it coming. She kept telling people she was scared.

    I don't know if there's a point up to which a person who's obsessed with murder and torture as Billie and Shawn were could get help and stop it. Go to a counselor and get themselves checked into a psych hospital. I don't know if they recognize there's something very wrong in their behavior and feelings.

    I wonder if either Billie or Shawn reached out for help in some way. Meeting each other and getting involved with each other certainly I think would just feed and fuel their individual obsessions.

    They probably helped each other to rationalize it and make it seem okay, acceptable. Whether they did that consciously, or just as part of the process. Sort of like on the internet when people engage in bullying and abuse. They see someone else doing it, and it makes them feel like their behavior must be 'okay'. Even band together to bully and abuse people. Same kind of dynamic is what I'm thinking.

    I don't know what else I think. I just woke up from a nap. I need coffee or something. lol.

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    I totally agree with you. And this has been my thought all along. I believe if you have these things in your home, in your mind and part of your life you are asking the devil to come in. I don't watch those movies or read any of those kind of books for that very reason. jmo
    I agree with you to an extent. It's a choice. We can choose to manifest good in the world, or we can choose to manifest evil in the world. It's a powerful choice, and one we should make carefully, and with grave consideration.

    What I'm not sure of, is whether some people can control it, if it's a compulsion they have. I don't think they can, and I think they just need to be contained so they don't harm others. Of course, that bring up the whole rights violation thing. Identify people wrongly as being compelled to harm others etc.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    46,774
    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    We don't know what LE considers under the title 'deviant acts'. Personally I think vampires, werewolves, etc can be classed as definitely deviant. jmo
    LE has said that in this case 'deviant' included bestiality and child pornography.
    I think it is safe to assume it is not lightweight, harmless images, or standard, porn, like a couple might view on a sexy weekend.

    I am going to make an educated guess that it will be similar to what we ALREADY KNOW about Shawn's favorite hobbies. It will include violent, gruesome images, which will include deviant sexual images of children, bondage, bloody gore and animals.

    This is not like 'Twilight'.
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    14,189
    We didn't know about porn before, but I've thought the interest in vampires very odd ever since hearing about it. Printing out material on the subject and saving it under a bed or in closet combined with behavior when giving interviews gave me the creeps. Working people, people with teens around, and people in their late twenties and thirties shouldn't have those interests IMO. They should be busy living life, raising kids, working out, having fun, etc. IF they had an interest in vampires it should have only been reading Twilight, enjoying the vampire classic movies, and nothing else. Combine that with the masks, serial killer and couple crime interest, videos, drug use, and now deviant porn, it should be a huge concern.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Oklahoma
    Posts
    6,719
    I think the difference is the ability to separate fantasy from reality. I watch vampire shows, post at WS, my favorite TV station is Investigation Discovery, and I've seen some porn in my time, though not bestiality or child porn.

    But I know what's real, what belongs in reality, and what belongs purely in fantasy. I think with some people, the line between reality and fantasy gets blurred or completely taken away by their obsession. Instead of things like vampires and porn just being a hobby or fantasy, those things become an actual part of their life. They can't distinguish what is real in their lives and what is not. And some don't care about separating fantasy and reality, doing what they want to do when they want to do it without caring about consequences or who gets hurt (those would be the sociopaths).

    I think if a person lets these things take over their lives, then yes, darkness and evil can result. It's having that moral and metaphysical line between reality and fantasy that keeps people like me from doing any evil and harm.

    I think, from that statement of things being awesome for six months, that fantasy became reality for not only SA but BD too. They were living the dream until Hailey made a mess of it, in their minds.

    It's not what you're interested in that determines whether you end up hurting or killing people. It's what you do with that interest that leads to the loss of that line between fantasy and reality that can turn people into murderers.

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 ... LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Classic Cold Murder Case of Most Interest Poll
    By STANDREID in forum Cold Cases
    Replies: 204
    Last Post: 09-12-2017, 04:42 PM
  2. No Body Murder Cases - For general interest
    By meggilyweggily in forum General Information & Discussion
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 02-13-2017, 08:36 PM
  3. GUILTY Canada - Henry Sheppard for child pornography, North Vancouver, 2011
    By Missizzy in forum Recently Sentenced and Beyond
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 11-28-2011, 01:08 AM