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    I have to wonder a bit about their DNA testing. This is the second match we've had now, except they were against two totally different people?
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    I have really been researching this case lately, and am blown away by the vast amounts of crazy I had to wade through. Wow. From what I can piece together...Chris Busch hung out with a wide circle of creepy friends. And it connects North Fox Island to Cass Corridor. North Fox Island was a pedophile playground for the rich and twisted. I think it's a possibility that Busch was the clean up crew for a particular island guest that occasionally got a little too enthusiastic. To the wealthy pervs he worked for, Busch was a nobody, a perfect patsy. Pin the drawing to the wall and toss the ropes in the corner. To the Motor City, he (or his family, rather) was a somebody. A frame was covered up, forever muddying any waters. The first few names I found made it pretty clear to me.. powerful people probably have done their best to keep this quiet.

    Links I've been reading.. (I'm sorry if this has all been hashed to death already. This has completely absorbed me as I've not moved from in front of the AC in days)

    Super shady dealings with the rich guys

    http://www.truecrimediary.com/index....e=cases&id=132 links

    http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/...30/421/345229/

    http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx...985&SizeDisp=7

    http://international.loc.gov/service...2/00000096.txt

    http://memory.loc.gov/service/digsym...2/00000097.txt

    *ETA* Just watched the press conference and read thearticle
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...osecutor-says/

    "(CBS/AP) PONTIAC, Mich. - A Michigan prosecutor says investigators have discovered important new information related to a "person of interest" in the deaths of two of four children killed during a 13-month period in the 1970s.

    CBS Detroit reports that four children - Mark Stebbins, 12; Jill Robinson, 12; Kristine Mihelich, 10; and Timothy King, 11 - were kidnapped and found dead between 1976 and 1977. Their murders - known as the Oakland County Child Killer case - have remained unsolved.

    Talking to reporters, Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper said that DNA testing by the FBI has found that a hair found on two of those victims -- Stebbins and King -- came from the same person.

    Cooper said that person is an associate of 70-year-old Arch Edward Sloan, the owner of a 1966 Pontiac Bonneville in which a matching hair was found.

    Cooper says they're seeking tips about people who might have been with Sloan at the time. According to the Detroit Free Press, Cooper said Sloan, who is not a suspect in the case, often loaned his cars to other people. Sloan himself is serving two life sentences for first-degree criminal sexual conduct.

    Anyone with information is asked to call 1-800-442-7766"


    Reminded me of this:

    http://www.freep.com/article/2012061...no-charges-yet
    "James Gunnels is the only person whose DNA matched a hair found on one of the Oakland County Child Killer's victims.

    "It happened in March 2009, when the FBI crime laboratory in Quantico, Va., concluded that mitochondrial DNA from the 47-year-old parolee matched DNA from a hair fragment found on the body of Kristine Mihelich, the child killer's third victim. [...] Williams said the DNA match might help corroborate the task force's theory that Busch may have used the younger Gunnels to lure children into his car. Neither man was ever charged in the case.

    Gunnels was paroled to Kalamazoo in 2011 after serving sentences for larceny, breaking and entering an occupied dwelling, car theft and attempting prison escape.

    As a child, authorities said, he had been sexually assaulted by Busch. They said the assaults prompted criminal cases against Busch in two of the four counties where Busch eventually pleaded guilty to pedophile charges. Despite the assaults, Gunnels began to hang out with Busch, police said.

    Although investigators said Gunnels rode in Busch's car many times, Gunnels said he didn't know Kristine Mihelich and didn't know how his DNA got onto her body.

    Gunnels took two polygraph tests, but authorities have never released the results."

    Sigh. So much mud in the water.
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    If they ever manage to arrest anyone in this case, I don't know if I'll really believe they got the right person/people. Information has come out in dribs and drabs, now 35 years later they're asking people to try and remember if they saw this other car....I feel bad for the families of the children, I really do.

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    Here is another link:

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/n...tml?hpt=ju_bn5

    I think the speculation that he is an accomplice and not the primary is an interesting one. Thoughts?
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    Local 4 Defenders have learned the physical and DNA evidence linking an associate of 70-year-old Arch Edward Sloan to the male victims in the murder spree which began in the 1970s. This associate left hair at the crime scene of the two murdered boys.
    What a break this would be if this was finally solved. Fingers crossed for all of the families.
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    Click Detroit link:

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/n...tml?hpt=ju_bn5

    Local 4 Defenders have learned the physical and DNA evidence linking an associate of 70-year-old Arch Edward Sloan to the male victims in the murder spree which began in the 1970s. This associate left hair at the crime scene of the two murdered boys.
    I wonder if there is a way to combine these two threads??

    Here is the other one-
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8161173#post8161173"]"The Babysitter" Oakland County Michigan #2 - Page 2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
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    July 18, 2012 at 1:00 am

    DNA links hair found in car to two victims of Oakland County Child Killings

    Authorities seek tips, associates of convicted pedophile called person of interest in 36-year-old cold case


    By Mike Martindale
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    Pontiac— More than three decades after the Oakland County child killings terrorized Metro Detroit, authorities Tuesday announced a "significant breakthrough" in the case.

    Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, who has faced fierce criticism from victims' families over the slow pace and secrecy of the probe, said authorities have a "person of interest" based on DNA test results that link hair samples taken from a car and two victims.

    At a news conference, Cooper said a hair found in a red 1966 Pontiac Bonneville owned by Archibald Edward Sloan has the same mitochondrial DNA profile as hair found on victims Mark Stebbins and Timothy King.

    Authorities said the hair samples aren't from the boys or from Sloan. Cooper said investigators are seeking tips about Sloan's associates from the 1970s. A hotline has been set up at (800) 442-7766...

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz20z5IA7Mt

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    http://newspaperarchive.com/north-hi...-04-16/page-14

    "Arch E Sloan - I started working in water colors and doing pencil sketches since March 1974 I got in- in this field merely as a form of relaxation I hope some day to be able to use water colors to the extent of making my work appear as a picture from a camera or as if one were ing through a window at real life"

    Interesting in light of the drawing at the suicide scene.

    They need to test that 'new' hair against Gunnels, if they haven't already.

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    also... http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/i...z/-/index.html picture of Sloans's car at the bottom.

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    In late spring-early summer of 1977 I was skateboarding behind then Farmer Jacks at the intersection of 8 mile and Grand River in Livonia. That part of the parking lot was never used, possibly was ment for future stores. I was alone, and seemingly out of nowhere a car slowly approached and stopped close by. A slender white male, maybe 150-165 pounds. Got out of his car and started a conversation with me. He was all smiles and was trying to use his car as "bait"....asking me if I wanted a ride, he just got it and it was really fast and would let me drive etc. He was coming around the car and talking, not in a hurry but approaching.

    I ran as fast as I could.....I lived within a block and was home within seconds it seemed.

    Maybe 11-12 yrs ago, I called the Oakland county police and gave them my best description of the car, the man, and the events. I wanted to see if there were any pictures I could view based on my story. They didnt seem interested in helping.

    This happened within miles of where timothy king was found and I have always wondered if this was the man, or someone involved at the very least.

    If I saw a picture of the man, I'd still know him. I am currently trying to find pictures on-line of the listed suspects but everything is recent.

    The man was late 20's, early 30's. Longer hair, not to the shoulders though. Light brown/sandy blonde hair with mustache and sideburns. The car was newer, redish-brown paint, black roof-vinyl maybe.

    I would like to see pictures of the suspects from that time frame. I would know him if I saw a picture of him"

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/birm...2BNBPN2DT3J/p2

    Not sure on the 'newer' part of the description, as i'm not familiar with what that model/year is, but the details match.

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    OMG I know right where he must have been skating and nobody really used the area behind Farmer Jack. There was a long, high wall that separated the lot from the neighborhood behind it. Nobody would have seen if he was taken. I'm so glad he got away!

    What a tip, though. And another citizen with at the very least INTERESTING NEW INFORMATION and basically ignored.

    The place he was skating was probably 3-1/2? 4? miles away from where Timmy King was found.

    They said they got 26 tips from last night and I hope this person called in.

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    Worthy: Probe of Oakland County child killer hindered

    Oakland, Wayne prosecutors' rift revealed over case

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    Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy blasted Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper on Wednesday for naming a person of interest in the Oakland County child killer case and releasing DNA test results, saying those actions "severely compromised our investigation."

    Cooper's revelation at a press conference Tuesday was described as a breakthrough in the unsolved murders of four children in 1976 and 1977. In an appeal to the public to come forward with information, Cooper named convicted pedophile Archibald Edward Sloan as a person of interest and said that a hair found in Sloan's red 1966 Pontiac Bonneville has the same mitochondrial DNA profile found on victims Mark Stebbins and Timothy King, the first and final victims.

    But Worthy, who is also investigating the case because one victim's body was found in Wayne County, said the information should not have been made public while investigators continued their work...

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz214kJjRpK

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes View Post
    Worthy: Probe of Oakland County child killer hindered

    Oakland, Wayne prosecutors' rift revealed over case
    By The Detroit News

    Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy blasted Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper on Wednesday for naming a person of interest in the Oakland County child killer case and releasing DNA test results, saying those actions "severely compromised our investigation."

    Cooper's revelation at a press conference Tuesday was described as a breakthrough in the unsolved murders of four children in 1976 and 1977. In an appeal to the public to come forward with information, Cooper named convicted pedophile Archibald Edward Sloan as a person of interest and said that a hair found in Sloan's red 1966 Pontiac Bonneville has the same mitochondrial DNA profile found on victims Mark Stebbins and Timothy King, the first and final victims.

    But Worthy, who is also investigating the case because one victim's body was found in Wayne County, said the information should not have been made public while investigators continued their work...

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz214kJjRpK
    Oh boy. I was surprised as well, fwiw, given that it appears they think there is another suspect in the wind....
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    I wondered why Wayne County wasn't at the press conference but then I thought maybe they agreed to let Oakland handle it. I see now that wasn't the case.

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    I'm watching channel 4 news. What a mess this is. Two completely different investigations going on--what a waste of energy and time. Kym Worthy has the right to be consulted prior to any information being given to the general public--one of these kids was found in her county.

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    I've followed this case since it happened and I sure wish they could solve the case. I think if the investigation hadn't been botched, it might have been solved long ago. I hope it still can be solved. I'm glad they found new evidence this summer.

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    http://www.freep.com/article/2012092...al-authorities

    In the comments there's a post from the mother of a victim, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post that here? Well worth a read.

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    Child Killer Case Gets Political

    Oakland County Child Killer victim's family fights against Prosecutor Jessica Cooper's re-election

    Oakland County Child Killer victim's family endorses Mike Bishop as he runs against Prosecutor Jessica Cooper


    Author: Mara MacDonald, Local 4 Reporter

    Published On: Oct 05 2012 10:53:43 PM EDT Updated On: Oct 05 2012 11:03:32 PM EDT

    ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. -
    The Oakland County Child Killer case now takes center stage in the race for Oakland County prosecutor.

    Barry King, the father of one of the killer's victims, Tim King, has put out an ad against Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, who is running for re-election...

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/O...z/-/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    Welcome Shamrocker!

    What a unique perspective you bring to this thread? Did your detective have a favorite suspect or lead??
    Thank you for the welcome! My detectives really thought Lamborgine was good for the murders--he would confess to it though!! He did confess to being a Pedophile and being involved with a group of men who all shared the same sIck persuasions!!

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...on/1643019/New

    "2:39AM EDT October 19. 2012 - DETROIT -- Since the mid-1970s, the disturbing abduction murders of four Michigan children have been attributed to an unknown killer — but Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper isn't convinced all four cases are connected.

    "We don't know if it was one killer or two, operating in tandem, or not," Cooper said recently in a wide-ranging interview about newly released documents obtained by the Detroit Free Press under the Freedom of Information Act. "We just don't know. It will be science that will solve these cases."

    The documents reveal new details but also show that several other assumed facts of the cases aren't as they have been reported by investigators, the news media and family members for more than three decades."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamrocker99 View Post
    Thank you for the welcome! My detectives really thought Lamborgine was good for the murders--he would confess to it though!! He did confess to being a Pedophile and being involved with a group of men who all shared the same sIck persuasions!!

    Sorry that was supposed to say he wouldn't confess to it.

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    Tim kings older sister has a blog.

    http://catherinebroad.wordpress.com/

    He was the last of the OCCK victoms. Catherine was the last person other than a witness in the drug store parking lot to see him alive. There is alot of first hand knowledge and perspective on her posts that might help bring this case closure.

    I am new to this site but I grew up in the area of the crimes and have been following this case since i was 6-7 yrs old when it all happened.

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    The program "Dark Minds" on the Investigation Discovery/ID channel featured this case. Below is a link to the full episode on YouTube. Several family members of the victims appear and are interviewed. Not much new information is presented, although at the end the host states that a grand jury has been convened to look at the evidence.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wWL7a6ww6E&feature=share&list=PL28C1C38A5 9A3AA3E"]DARK MIND The Babysitter Killer - YouTube[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by maima View Post
    The program "Dark Minds" on the Investigation Discovery/ID channel featured this case. Below is a link to the full episode on YouTube. Several family members of the victims appear and are interviewed. Not much new information is presented, although at the end the host states that a grand jury has been convened to look at the evidence.
    Thanks for posting.

    I wonder why they didn't mention the dog hairs which is one of the main elements in connecting some of the murders - because it didn't fit their theory?
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    old article:
    http://www.thenewsherald.com/article...6542738213.txt
    The hairs also appear to exonerate all previous suspects in the case. They do not match hairs belonging to Christopher Busch, Gregory Green, James Vincent Gunnels, Theodore Lamborgine, David Norberg, Larry Allen Smith and Todd Warzecha.

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    Construction crew digging basement unearth car

    http://www.wnem.com/story/23182554/c...arth-car-parts

    Police think the blue Gremlin could be involved in a cold case out of Oakland County stemming from the mid-70s where four children were killed. A blue AMC Gremlin with white racing stripe was the vehicle description at the time.

    -they found several pieces of different cars

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