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    While just checking Audrey Gleave's remembrance page on FB, I realized that there are three other women by that name. One woman looks to be of similar age. This is awful to say, but you don't suppose that the murder could have been one of mistaken identity?

    It's a very unique name.


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    Quoted from Missizzy:

    For some reason, I have the hardest time picturing her in her hot cars with red lipstick, red nail polish and heels. She was also a girls' basketball coach. I'd think that heels wouldn't be part of the "picture" for a healthy and fit physics teacher and coach. It just doesn't jive with the woman she was at 73. I did notice that recipes came up again.

    To be fair, we all change with age. Remember, AG also taught Physics so she wouldn't be in her track sweats in a classroom. And why not wear high heels, lipstick and nail polish at her younger age, whilst teaching?

    As for the Camaro - why not? Heck, I've been driving Corvettes since I was very young and I still drive a 'Vette today. It's been my 'one and only car' type. Perhaps AG was the same with her Camaros.

    ETA: *I* don't find AG's name to be unique at all. Just my thoughts on some of the posts above.....
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    Lyndon-Brantford-Hamilton-Ancaster

    the address confusion stems from (I think) the fact that I believe her actual address probably was Lyndon, or a Rural Route
    Brantford has expanded recently out into that area as has Hamilton and Ancaster so all these towns have expanded and Lyndon is really just a sort of cross roads with very little there, hardly a village even.

    I was actually a little surprised when I learned that the house sold so quickly. I guess if your not the least bit squeemish the houses history wouldn't bother you. I can understand why someone would want the property, it has two ponds and really is in a wonderful rural setting. Right off the 403 so you could be in Brantford, Hamilton or even commute to Toronto.
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    Lynd e n

    funny how sometimes making a typo pays off
    Was trying to find the new owner's name using 411, and couldn't even find any neighbour's till by mistake I spelt Lynden, which turned out to be the correct spelling, LOL.

    Unfortunately, couldn't find Audrey's house, only the neighbours, including the F's. Apparently the Postal Code for the area is Lynden, ON L0R 1T0

    Audrey Gleave, 73, was found by a friend in her home at 3401 Indian Trail Thursday ... Her Indian Trail home is just outside the village of Lynden, in between Lynden Road and Misener Road and close to the Brant-Ancaster Townline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    ... I'll check and see if I can find the date of the sale. I didn't realize that in Canada, a murder had to be disclosed in the sale of a house. My husband and I have asked about things such as this before as we used to be in development and real estate but there are no such laws in Oregon. We once bought a home where an elderly man had been found dead. He'd been dead quite some time as he lived alone, we were told by neighbors. That explained the odor which was almost impossible to remove from the home. We checked with the agent and she checked with the seller and sure enough, it was true. But there is no law that we had to be told.
    Ya know what, I'll double-check on that Missizzy. It is definitely true in BC, because a BC realtor friend just told me that very adamantly a few months ago. (Believe it or not, we were discussing "orbs" in photographs, and NO I was not wearing my foil hat ).

    Will try to get in touch with my realtor friend on Ontario to verify. As the Real Estate Boards are provincial, there may be a difference, but generally they have all pretty much the same legal and ethical requirements.


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    http://www.canadarealty.org/dealing-...estate-stigma/
    "Stigma can be measured in many ways, but the most difficult is by direct comparison. For example, say that you bought a house and found out from a neighbour that it had been the scene of a horrific murder. Your buyers are angry. They want to sue the seller and the listing and selling agents.

    In most jurisdictions, you were denied the right to a material fact. In some places like California, disclosure of a murder must be reported for three years. In Canada, only Quebec has a murder disclosure law. How does one measure the loss, if any? In a textbook situation, we would find various murder sites, compare their selling prices to similar and non-impacted houses in their area and then with enough data estimate a percentage loss to your house. The problem? Most murder sites are not readily disclosed and not all murders may have received excess media attention, which does negatively impact value.

    The other problem is one of time. Did the murder happen last year or 10 years ago? Heck, in a small town, a 50-year-old murder still is well remembered."


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    Has anyone ever seen photos from Ms. Gleave when she was a young and snappily dressed teacher? I've seen a few earlier photos but she was dressed conservatively. I'm not doubting that she liked a little flash nor judging that choice. I highly admire individualism. I dress (when I was mobile) in full vintage regalia every day of my life (as I collected and sold vintage clothing). It's an art form. I always drove unique vehicles. But I don't think those facts would surprise anyone who's every met me or read anything about me. I don't "run with the pack".

    There's just so many dichotomies about this woman. I find it fascinating and perplexing at the same time. I sure wish her former husband would make some sort of statement now that the case has been reopened. Have we heard from PK, LV or the vet since things have moved back to square one?


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    next week I have to be out in that general area and will see if there is a name on the mail box.
    Sorry about the spelling of LyndEn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    In sillybilly's link above, there's mention that Ms. Gleave had not spoken to her former husband since 1976. I wonder who provided that information?

    Can someone local clear something up for me, please. Was the Gleave home in Ancaster, Lyndon or Hamilton? The address comes up as Hamilton on Google Maps but she's referred to as an "Ancaster woman".
    It is confusing because her house is in the country... the closest little village is Lynden... the closest 'town' would be Ancaster... the closest city would actually be Brantford... but in terms of municipal boundaries, it is located within the boundaries of the City of Hamilton.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dotr View Post
    http://www.canadarealty.org/dealing-...estate-stigma/
    "Stigma can be measured in many ways, but the most difficult is by direct comparison. For example, say that you bought a house and found out from a neighbour that it had been the scene of a horrific murder. Your buyers are angry. They want to sue the seller and the listing and selling agents.

    In most jurisdictions, you were denied the right to a material fact. In some places like California, disclosure of a murder must be reported for three years. In Canada, only Quebec has a murder disclosure law. How does one measure the loss, if any? In a textbook situation, we would find various murder sites, compare their selling prices to similar and non-impacted houses in their area and then with enough data estimate a percentage loss to your house. The problem? Most murder sites are not readily disclosed and not all murders may have received excess media attention, which does negatively impact value.

    The other problem is one of time. Did the murder happen last year or 10 years ago? Heck, in a small town, a 50-year-old murder still is well remembered."
    Thanks dotr !! Earlier in the article, he states:

    In most provinces and states, Realtors must disclose but some of the laws are vague and the buyer is not always protected
    Seems a murder or other such "stigma" would fall under the laws of Disclosure, but the individual stigma is open to interpretation by the listing agent as to whether it is required to be disclosed.

    The article linked to the Ghost of Nyack story where the Supreme Court of New York ruled that

    because a routine home inspection would never uncover it, sellers must disclose that a house is haunted to potential buyers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    In sillybilly's link above, there's mention that Ms. Gleave had not spoken to her former husband since 1976. I wonder who provided that information?

    Can someone local clear something up for me, please. Was the Gleave home in Ancaster, Lyndon or Hamilton? The address comes up as Hamilton on Google Maps but she's referred to as an "Ancaster woman".
    http://www.brantfordexpositor.com/Ar...aspx?e=2915258
    "Allan was a chemical engineering student when he met Audrey at McMaster University, where she studied physics. They got married in 1969, on the day she graduated from teachers’ college, and were divorced about eight years afterward.

    Allan, who moved to Sturgeon Falls, Ont., in 1974, said he hadn’t spoken to his ex-wife since 1976."


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    I'm still scratching my head as to how AG's estate was able to be dealt with so quickly.

    Am hazarding a guess that AG's estate (real property and personal property combined) was worth at least $500,000. Because AG left a LWT, an executor would typically apply for probate (now called a Certificate of Appointment of Estate Trustee). Once that certificate is issued, it is filed with the Superior Court which, in my experience, can take weeks or months. Maybe in this case, somebody pulled strings to get it through more quickly.

    Basically, probate is to ensure the validity of the Will and that it is in fact THE last LWT of the deceased, and to ensure that Estate Administration Taxes are paid on the value of the estate.

    There IS a way to avoid probate in dealing with real estate:

    http://www.thestar.com/article/248950

    I would be surprised however if AG's total estate consisted solely of the real estate (i.e. the physical property). Given her age and background, I would expect she would have had personal property and assets in other forms (i.e. antiques, bank accounts, investments, etc.)

    Here's a short, simple explanation by a very reputable law firm in Ontario:

    http://www.lerners.ca/content/docume...20a%20will.pdf

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    Quoted from dotr:

    "Allan was a chemical engineering student when he met Audrey at McMaster University, where she studied physics. They got married in 1969, on the day she graduated from teachers’ college, and were divorced about eight years afterward.

    Allan, who moved to Sturgeon Falls, Ont., in 1974, said he hadn’t spoken to his ex-wife since 1976."


    Well, does anyone know if he came to her funeral/memorial? Was he able to come to pay his final respects? Or were they so estranged that it didn't matter to him?

    I'm pondering this..........
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    on probate

    From the link SB posted do I read correctly that the home may have been sold as an "estate" sale,(that was my understanding) and the proceeds applied to the estate and probate applied? Therefore, the "estate" may not actually be settled yet.
    It would seem to me that the ownership of the home wouldn't be under any question.
    (under her breath she says AG & LV were members of the Country Club, I'm sure they are/were well connected with lawyers and judges nothing neredowell implied)
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    I just Googled AG's house and I found that it was sold by the executrice, LV. LV had been living in AG's house after the killing whilst waiting for the house to be sold. And - it was sold.
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