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    NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

    Please continue here.

    Link to [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122551"]Thread 1[/ame]

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    Reposting this here:

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/12/13/cops-bodies-found-in-gilgo-beach/

    The search for a missing woman has uncovered four bodies, hidden on a remote Long Island beach.

    And investigators fear this may just be the beginning.

    I saw this report tonight on our local 11pm news...I hope I posted this correctly and in the right area as this is the first thread I started!

    Ruthi - I am stepping all over your first post here so that we can put the young ladies up front in this thread. Salem
    Posted 1/24/2011; 3:05 p.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Meaghan Waterman_________________________Maureen Branard-Barnes


    Melissa Barthelemy_________________________Amber Lynn Costello

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    Any new developments? It's been so quiet...

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    Exclamation

    I was wondering if this thread was working..Where is everyone's thoughts?

    I read that Suffolk County recently arrested six men for failing to register as sex offenders. I can sort of see a sex offender not registering themselves to maybe pass the embarrassment..but maybe, it's possible that one could be connected, and didn't register because they had more to hide.

    http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/...g-to-register/


    On a good note, it seems to me as if SCPD and LE in LI are stepping up their game and really cracking down on sex related crimes, missing persons cases, and other things sort of related...hopefully.


    Then again, one story sticks in the back of my head. This man was charged after a craigslist date gone wrong. LE says he wasnt smart enough to pull off the Gilgo Beach killings. But the article says, "Fishbein is an account executive at Mrevolution, who's interests include New Internet technologies, fishing, boating and scuba diving." He doesn't sound that stupid to me....

    http://eastbxnews.blogspot.com/2011/...be-serial.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by internetgirl101 View Post
    I was wondering if this thread was working..Where is everyone's thoughts?

    I read that Suffolk County recently arrested six men for failing to register as sex offenders. I can sort of see a sex offender not registering themselves to maybe pass the embarrassment..but maybe, it's possible that one could be connected, and didn't register because they had more to hide.

    http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/...g-to-register/


    On a good note, it seems to me as if SCPD and LE in LI are stepping up their game and really cracking down on sex related crimes, missing persons cases, and other things sort of related...hopefully.


    Then again, one story sticks in the back of my head. This man was charged after a craigslist date gone wrong. LE says he wasnt smart enough to pull off the Gilgo Beach killings. But the article says, "Fishbein is an account executive at Mrevolution, who's interests include New Internet technologies, fishing, boating and scuba diving." He doesn't sound that stupid to me....

    http://eastbxnews.blogspot.com/2011/...be-serial.html
    "Not smart enough" That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I really hope they had a more concrete basis for their decision to rule him out as a suspect... sounds like he would be capable of killing these women and the "new internet technologies" thing likely means that he is computer savvy which is exactly what we have been theorizing about the Gilgo beach killer. Let's see... Involved with Craigslist escorts+ lives in NY+ internet savvy+ attempted to strangle a women he met on CL+ raped that women= warrants a MUCH closer look, no matter how "not smart" he may appear. LE concerns me when they say things like that... then again, maybe the reporter didn't have all the information. The typos in the article (I'm sort of a grammar fanatic) lead me to believe the author isn't very professional.

    Anyway, thanks for the articles Internetgirl, let's keep this thread alive and active!

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    it's ridiculous for le to say a person "isn't smart enough" to have committed a crime, if you look through past history of crimes; murders, you'll see a whole various spectrum of iqs who have committed them.

    they need to think outside the box sometimes.

    on the doenetwork.org there's a whole ton of unsolved homicides in ny and all over and the victims aren't identified as well. it's very sad

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    le usually knows things about these cases that is not released to the public, it's possible and likely they already ruled out this wack job fishbein.
    sometimes unfortunately, they have to wait for more bodies to turn up in order to catch the killer.

    the sex offenders that didn't register is very disturbing, as 2 of them are level 3, high rate of redicism. (imo they all have a high rate of reoffending).

    these type of serial murder cases can be hard, as we really don't know half of what le does. they can't release it to the public, as half of the nuts in nyc may confess to them murders for whatever crazy reasons they may have.

    we only have to have faith in le and that they will catch this guy, hopefully without more bodies turning up.

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    Not Much Happening

    Not much news on this case.

    Now that we're getting warmer weather, and the snow has melted, and the rains have fallen hard, maybe they will resume the beach searches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkhammer View Post
    Not much news on this case.

    Now that we're getting warmer weather, and the snow has melted, and the rains have fallen hard, maybe they will resume the beach searches.
    Yeah, it's in the 70s here today... LE said they were waiting for better weather conditions to resume the search, hope they got out there today but I haven't heard anything.

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    Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
    Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

    Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

    Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
    Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

    Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

    Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.
    hi mia, thank you for coming to this thread and sharing your insight with us =)
    i agree with you that the killer is likely a john who hates prostitutes ( as evidenced by the harassing calls to barthelemy's family).

    mia, you mention a john who is still stalking you via email to this day, did you report him to the police? if he is that obsessed it could be a potentially dangerous situation, and people can find out almost anything on the web.
    your situation you describe makes me worried for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
    Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

    Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

    Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.
    Hi Mia, thanks so much for coming by and offering your input. I wanted to ask you a few questions. First, did you do "outcalls"? We have found a few ads from these girls and they both said they exclusively did "outcalls." I know one of the victims came to LI from Maine and was staying at a hotel and left, presumably, to meet her john. I believe she was picked up by a cab but I'm not 100% sure if I'm remembering correctly. (Sidenote, fellow WS'ers, if Megan was picked up by a cab, would there be a record kept by the cab company of where she was dropped off?? Does anyone know if this was ever looked into-- maybe when she was initially reported missing?) Anyway, my question is, for "outcalls" do the girls ever get picked up by the john and taken to his house/a motel/wherever or are the girls generally responsible for getting to and from the location where the meeting is taking place? If so, do they usually hire a driver, take a cab, or drive themselves? I'm sure it varies greatly from person to person but I'm just asking what your experience has been and what you have heard from your friends.

    Also, when an escort is working independently, does she usually have a safety plan set up? Like does she call a friend before to tell them the location of the meeting and to say something like "if you don't hear from me by such and such a time, something is wrong"? Or do most independent girls, especially when they've been in the business for a while and feel like they have a handle on it, just wing it and bring only a cell phone and maybe a can of pepper spray?

    Do you think a girl would leave her cell phone behind intentionally when going to meet a client that she maybe knows and trusts or do you think some johns may even ASK that a girl show up without a cell phone (and offer to pay extra for this detail) to keep them from becoming distracted during the rendezvous?

    I hope you take a moment to answer my questions, I would greatly appreciate it. Also, I agree with chem, the thing you said about that guy still constantly emailing you sets off alarm bells to me. The cops can't do anything about it at this point and I'm sure you don't want to reveal your history as an escort to LE but you should save all the emails and keep a log of the harassment, so you can built a case against him if it escalates. I had an incident with a stalker last year and that's what I was told to do. Unfortunately, LE can't do anything unless a direct threat is made or if you can demonstrate a pattern of harassment that is disrupting your every day life.

    Thanks again for your time. These women deserve justice!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
    Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

    Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

    Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.
    Mia



    Please, Please, and more pretty pleases report this person that is emailing you for your own safety as well as others

    As well thank you for sharing your experiences with us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
    Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

    Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

    Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.

    Thank you Mia! How wonderful of you to be open to sharing your experiences. I really commend you for this. What a welcome addition

    PS: I'm just catching up on this thread so sorry for commenting on an older post, I just really wanted you to know that your insight will be really valuable!
    Last edited by Javabean; 04-05-2011 at 11:18 PM. Reason: addition

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    we have a friend who used to be a stripper, she had been raped at age 13 and stripped since 17 until only a year or two ago. in her case, being that she had been raped in the past, it seemed that she was possibly feeling that she was "damaged" and thus stripped for several years and did some other things. she is white, middle class etc.

    so i think in some cases, sexual abuse does play a factor.

    being that this harrassing john you came across 3 years ago is still obsessed, please be careful. you could always report him as a stalking exbf to the police, at the very least the report would be on paper.

    these types of individuals seem to hate prostitutes for whatever reasons; and unfortunately working girls and even drug users are not top priority for police when they end up dead or missing. this could be partially the reason serial killers pick them. however if the sk gets too confident and finds a middle class target, i see nothing that will stop him from "evolving" and killing out of his normal confines.

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