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  1. #16
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    JMO
    I think - maybe- it was personal. Someone who new Melissa Barthelemy - the family that got the phone calls. Thats weird the phone calls, it made her a person of importance.

    The other girls were dark haired, if she was a natural blonde that blows my theory. Is there a list of who died first? 3 of the girls have names starting with M.

    Maybe it was hunting her, it's probably a male --but. JMO MOO

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    @ Mia, I am SO glad you are on this thread now!!! Your input will be VERY helpful! I am also worried about you and the person sending you emails, etc. I agree that you need to keep these messages and if necessary, report them to LE!!! You have a great resource here at WS's who is willing to help in any way possible also!!! @ Rightous1, welcome to WS's!!! New insight is always SO helpful!!! Your observations about the locations of the bodies is intriguing! I had not noticed the fact that it was really cold when LE found the bodies. That brings up a good point, do we know when each of the bodies was placed there??? I would love to have a time-line of when each murder is thought to have happened. I guess I need to dig back through the pages and media links to find the last date each victim was seen. I am beginning to think we could use a forum for this case.... please??? Pretty please?? Information needs to be organized.

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    There's a case archive album here, it includes all 4 women:

    http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...urders%20-NY-/
    Photos from various cases (click on left-column names on the main photobucket page...they are in alphabetical order) http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/

    "LIKE" CCA: Crankycrankerson Case Archives on facebook, and please share the link: https://www.facebook.com/pages/CCA-C...479258?sk=wall

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    Hi, no Faith related just digging the name and being righteous and fair. Atlantic City is in NJ about 150 miles away I know the case your thinking of, I think. They found 4 bodies in AC a year before I don't know if its related. Lido Beach is a strip on LI a Township there are a bunch of them Townships, strips Private Beach Clubs at least what I know which is Atlantic Beach not Atlantic City about a mile long House's right off the beach 30 minutes to NYC. the place these girls were found is further down the Island but I think it might be similar, it would be next to impossible to do a real search in the winter, and it's been a Cold one in the City.

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    The problem with Craigslist is you get all kind of nuts not just some people who want Sex. Look at that Dr who killed the girl in {Chicago} she was from NYC or lived in the City when it happened she traveled to another State to hookup with him. If a woman or man want to make Money that's fine but you have to protect yourself which would be kinda hard to do under those circumstances.

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    After a ton of research and a couple of strokes of luck, internetgirl101 and I seem to have uncovered some background information on a couple of the girls. First, here is a link to one of Barthelemy's ads:
    http://www.escortpost.com/escorts/26...over_and_play/

    If you google different combinations of words from her ads, you'll find ads she posted on other sites, under other names (so far we think she used "Chloe" and "Megan")


    There are also several sites for johns where they post reviews of escorts they've had encounters with. One of these sites for LI is:
    http://www.longislanderotic.com/longislanderotic/forum/

    You have to be a member to read the posts but there is a thread on there about the murders and a thread about Costello. I'm not going to go into too much detail because it's second-hand information, you can go on there and read it for yourself, but some of the johns are claiming that in July she robbed a few of her clients by having them come to her apartment, pay her, and then having a couple of guys come out with baseball bats and demand the john leave the apartment. A few of the men on the board talk about getting revenge on her but for many reasons, I doubt that's what got her killed in the end. As with Barthelemy, if you use the words and phone number on the copy of the ad they posted in that forum, you will find more ads that Costello posted for her services on other sites. She used the name "Carolina"

    Another notable review site with a thread about the murders is:
    http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/sh...t=42531&page=2

    I have not had the chance to look through the forums extensively and I am hoping that posting this information on here will get us some help with the searches. It's a lot to go through and new sets of eyes are always appreciated. Feel free to PM me if you want more information.

    I have tons of thoughts and theories based on this new info but I'm not ready to put them all out there yet, too exhausted... long day at work and gloomy weather here in NY.

    Once again, this information was gathered by both internetgirl101 and myself, so internetgirl, if you have anything to add, definitely do so.

    Best wishes to everyone.
    Last edited by svpernin; 03-21-2011 at 07:44 PM. Reason: link didn't work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
    Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

    Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

    Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.
    Mia



    Please, Please, and more pretty pleases report this person that is emailing you for your own safety as well as others

    As well thank you for sharing your experiences with us

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    Wow great find, should have realized there is a bunch of fellows who are regulars with a different forum. Who could blame them they don't want this Murderer[sp] out. It seems like LE has a lot of work but they can back track through CL or phone records and find the link.

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    Wheres the info on someone contacting one of the Girls Parents?

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    Not directly related to this case but I thought that I should post this link: http://www.wesh.com/r/27061257/detail.html

    It's about developments in the similar string of murders in Daytona Beach...they found DNA on two of the victims that they believe belongs to the killer. Connected or not, it's a very similar case. I hope they get a hit from the DNA and catch the guy!


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    Is there some sort of Timeline? The first girl was missing for a long time. The reason the Girls use CL is so they don't need a Pimp, I think. if they worked for a Escort Service they would get a cut of the $$. It might be safer but less money. Some kind of timeline would be good.

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    Righteous1, I began posting a timeline on thread 1 but it was mostly general information. I will try and locate it for you.

    In the meantime, Amandareckonwith has all the news stories archived for us in her above link.

    http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...urders%20-NY-/

    It is a great resource for us and thanks to Amandareckonwith for her dedication in keeping us organized.

    I have been busy lately and haven't had much time for posting or helping with research but i am reading along and keeping up with all the great brainstorming. You Sleuths are the best!

    wm
    ...and be sure your sin will find you out.

    Numbers,32:23

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    I did go thru some on that link Thanks. There is all the news clips all the family's it's very sad and makes you feel that they were really just girls with problems. Welcome to the Human Condition. the News keeps calling them Hookers it's really f*&^d up. I thought they would have come beyond that but what do I know. Sex Sells. I figured a breakdown of the facts and so forth. they will catch this Guy they may even have some idea who he is already. CL, Cellphones Websites all are traceable today. It's only a matter of Time. The sooner the better .

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    7-07....Maureen Barnes was the first to disappear of the four bodies found. She was headed to NYC and planned to return the next day per reports. 4'11" 105 lbs.

    7-12-09...Melissa Barthelemy is the 2nd missing girl. Calls to her family were made from her cell phone on 7-16-09...7-19-09...7-23-09. The calls were made from midtown Manhatten near Penn Station, Madison Square Garden and 'by' Times Square. 4'10", 95 lbs.

    06-10 Megan Waterman... young looking female. 5'5", 150 lbs.

    9-20-10 Amber Costello....lived in Wilmington, NC and has and ex Husband living in the area. 4'10, 100 lbs.

    There is much information missing here. This is just general info from the notes I have taken and perhaps we can add to the timeline as much has been learned since. so perhaps we can amend it as we trudge along in our sleuthing.

    Has anyone else besides myself considered the thought that this SK may be a female who is posing as a male online?

    I have no experience with this business at all. However, if it were me and my contact was a female in setting up the 'appointment', it would give me a false sense of security. I am only broaching this possibility because all but one of the victims would be considered 'of small stature' in today's world and a larger woman could easily have overtaken any of these young women. This is JMO based on my own small stature.

    Also, the fact that these women were found enclosed in burlap bags bothers me. I feel like this is the biggest clue we have at this point in time. Why were those bags used to dispose of the bodies?

    Here is why I ask such questions and it is kind of personal so my apoligies for being off topic.....

    I was helping my daughter move yesterday and we were in a quandry trying to figure out how to move her TV from her bedroom to her car. She suggested that we use a sleeping bag that was left on the floor to move it because it's so heavy. We 'walked' the TV onto it and then dragged it out of her house to the garage and lifted it (still in the sleeping bag, mind you) into her car. I was surprised how much easier and quicker this was as opposed to carrying the darned thing!

    I thought of this case during the process and those blasted burlap bags and how much easier it is to move heavy things when dragging them. Especially if one is of small stature!

    My thoughts and opinions for today!

    wm
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    Numbers,32:23

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    Waltzinmatilda, those burlap bags are of great interest to me too. We discussed them early in this case, and I believe there was some good ideas passed around about the perp being involved in landscaping or something in order to have access to that kind of burlap. That makes sense to me, but the fact that burlap bags were used to dump 4 bodies over what appears to be a three year time span just seems to indicate there was some greater significance to the burlap. Your analysis of using a sleeping bag to move your daughter's TV is great. Even a 98 pound woman's dead weight can be an awkward package to remove from an apartment/home/motel to a deserted beach. I would think that the perp would have used a blanket, a sheet, a bedspread..... something besides burlap during the three year period. I still believe there is some other significance to the burlap to this guy.
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