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    RC to Plead Guilty

    I didn't see a thread on this:

    Man Accused of Yale Student Killing Set to Plead Guilty

    EW HAVEN, Conn. – An attorney for an animal research technician charged with killing a Yale University graduate student says his client plans to plead guilty Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belimom View Post
    I didn't see a thread on this:
    Thanks. It's in the news only thread up top, but it's a good idea to have comments here. My first thought, of course, is to wonder how much Clark will explain about the motive (if it's greater than rapidly escalating anger) and the crime.

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    http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2...mode=fullstory

    Raymond Clark's court appearance and presumably his confession will occur tomorrow morning.

    The New Haven Register, which has been a reliable source on this case, opens by saying that this plea deal occurred after "many months" of negotiation. This helps answer the complaints here and elsewhere that Clark was being denied a speedy trial. (Two other major factors in the delays were the examination of hundreds of pieces of forensic evidence and the tight schedules of Clark's lawyers.)

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    While I'm glad he's finally pleading guilty, I wouldn't be surprised if he stubbornly held out until enough damning forensic evidence was finally processed and which, at long last, convinced him he didn't stand a chance of getting away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatientOne View Post
    While I'm glad he's finally pleading guilty, I wouldn't be surprised if he stubbornly held out until enough damning forensic evidence was finally processed and which, at long last, convinced him he didn't stand a chance of getting away with it.
    I think that you're right about his holding out.

    In any case, it's now official: The plea has been changed:

    http://www.wfsb.com/news/27224956/detail.html

    Presumably, we will hear what Clark and the victim's family and husband-to-be have to say at the sentencing hearing, whenever that might occur.

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    Yale killing suspect pleads guilty to murder

    Raymond Clark III entered the plea Thursday under an agreement with prosecutors that calls for a 44-year sentence.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-killing_N.htm

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    from the article:
    "Besides admitting to murder, he confessed to a charge of attempted sexual assault."

    http://www.newhavenindependent.org/i...ie_le/id_34802

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    Her bra was pushed up, her panties were pulled down and they found his semen on her. Like I said before the discussion went completely off the rails, stangulations are overwhelmingly crimes of passion. There almost had to be a sexual component to this tragedy.

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    http://www.ctnow.com/news/hc-yale-ki...,6525780.story

    I find it sickening that the fiance is still supporting him! WTH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyBug99 View Post
    http://www.ctnow.com/news/hc-yale-ki...,6525780.story

    I find it sickening that the fiance is still supporting him! WTH!
    Birds of a feather flock together.

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    I am always relieved when a defendant pleads guilty and keeps the family from having to deal with a trial and endless appeals, as long as they have accepted the sentence and do not feel cheated. I doubt he will get parole and 44 years is a long time. Saves lots of money and hopefully saves Annie's family some heartache.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Post Yale killing suspect admits murder, gets 44 years

    From Brian Vitagliano and Jesse Solomon, CNN
    March 17, 2011 12:55 p.m. EDTNew Haven, Connecticut (CNN) -- A Yale University lab technician pleaded guilty Thursday to murder and attempted sexual assault in the killing of graduate student Annie Le in 2009.
    Raymond Clark III will be sentenced to 44 years in prison as part of the plea agreement.
    In court Thursday, prosecutors described injuries to the victim and evidence of attempted sexual assault.
    Le, 24, was strangled to death. She had a broken jaw and collarbone, the prosecution said. Clark's DNA was "all over" the crime scene, including in her underwear, the state charged.
    Le's body was discovered inside a wall of a Yale lab building four days later after an extensive search by the FBI and police.
    Clark, 26, admitted the facts as the prosecution presented them but pleaded guilty under a legal precedent that allows him to do so while still officially protesting his innocence. more at link: http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/17/...plea/?hpt=Sbin
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    from the article:
    "Besides admitting to murder, he confessed to a charge of attempted sexual assault."

    http://www.newhavenindependent.org/i...ie_le/id_34802
    Until now, the fuller dimensions of this horrific murder have not be released. Poor Annie Le's last moments must have been terrifying:

    " Clark pleaded guilty to the sexual assault charge under the Alford Doctrine. That means that he doesn’t necessarily agree for the record that he tried to sexually assault Annie Le, but that he acknowledges the state has enough evidence to convict him of the charge.

    Prosecutor Strollo told the court that Annie Le’s body was found with her bra pushed up and her panties pushed down; her shoes and socks were off. And investigators found semen on her panty liner, Strollo said. He said semen from elsewhere at the scene definitively matched Clark’s DNA.
    Le also had a broken jaw and collarbone, and a bruise at the back of her head, Strollo said. The medical examiner concluded those injuries happened while Le was alive, he said. "

    I am pleased by the length of the sentence; I feared a much, much shorter sentence for manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    from the article:
    "Besides admitting to murder, he confessed to a charge of attempted sexual assault."

    http://www.newhavenindependent.org/i...ie_le/id_34802
    Thanks for your post. I wondered if it is a sexually driven crime or one out of anger.
    Either way it seems her upcoming marriage pushed him over the edge.
    How horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x_files View Post
    Thanks for your post. I wondered if it is a sexually driven crime or one out of anger.
    Either way it seems her upcoming marriage pushed him over the edge.
    How horrible.
    Hi, x files, and thanks; I think that most sex crime murders erupt out of anger and the urge to control, not pure lust. I could be wrong, but I doubt that her upcoming marriage was a factor at all. I suspect he had festering resentment that this petite, attractive, sexy woman had higher status in the lab than he did and that with her pre-wedding schedule in overdrive, she had very little time for his punitive lectures on rodent feces.

    As you say, this was a terrible crime which crushes several families. Annie Le was a talented woman whose research was focused on saving lives.
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    IMO hostility and control don't necessarily preclude sexual attraction as a motive for rape, especially in a case where the perpetrator is familiar with the victim.

    I'll never believe the timing of this horrible crime was merely coincidental with Annie's imminent marriage. And although I'm glad he pleaded guilty, I regret that we may never be privy to info that is generally revealed only in trial, particularly regarding motive.

    And so I'll forever wonder if summoning Annie on that fateful day, presumably/ostensibly to discuss lab protocol, was a desperate ruse indicating some degree of pre-meditation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatientOne View Post
    IMO hostility and control don't necessarily preclude sexual attraction as a motive for rape, especially in a case where the perpetrator is familiar with the victim.

    I'll never believe the timing of this horrible crime was merely coincidental with Annie's imminent marriage. And although I'm glad he pleaded guilty, I regret that we may never be privy to info that is generally revealed only in trial, particularly regarding motive.

    And so I'll forever wonder if summoning Annie on that fateful day, presumably/ostensibly to discuss lab protocol, was a desperate ruse indicating some degree of pre-meditation.
    Hi PatientOne; it's always good to read your thoughtful posts. I agree that sexual attraction is part of the mix, but I think that in cases like this, it builds over time as resentment, especially in male control freaks like Clark. Certainly, he would have been attracted to her (We're talking about a guy who belonged to the Asian Club in high school), but I think that it's likely that the incident began with the confrontation suggested by the email and escalated from there. Annie's upcoming marriage probably didn't mean much to Clark, who was engaged himself; it certainly meant everything to her. She was on a very tight schedule, trying to keep her part of this very intricate lab project up to date, sort out remaining wedding business, and wrap up other things. She would have had little patience for his intrusion into her busy day.

    I also think that by not admitting to an attempted rape, but acknowledging that the prosecution could prove it in court, Clark was in a sense insisting in a cowardly way that sex was not his primary motive. Most of us, on the other hand, would regard homicide as the more serious crime.

    As for premeditation, I think that killing and raping (or attempting to rape) someone in an occupied building during the work day and then completely failing to have anything more than a inept, makeshift clean-up and disposal plan argues against that.

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    Issues covered the story tonight, Thurs 3/17/11. I recorded the show and uploaded it to my You Tube Channel.

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    Apparently, Clark realized that he had dropped his p

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/nyregion/18yale.html

    Apparently, Clark realized that he had dropped his pen while hiding Annie Le's body because this NYT article indicates that there was evidence of him trying to fish something out of the area behind the wall.
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    I read here earlier but was very upset that he was able to plea down to 44 years from a possible death sentence. How many of the 44 years will he truly serve? At the very least he should have gotten life.

    I had not read this before... Is this true?

    Her body was found upside down stuffed behind a research lab wall
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/ny...yale.html?_r=1

    And this...

    He said semen from elsewhere at the scene definitively matched Clark’s DNA.
    http://www.newhavenindependent.org/i...ie_le/id_34802

    He lusted after Annie alright.. What a sicko!!!!

    I am sorry... I should not post when I am upset... This is such a travesty of justice IMO..

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    Quote Originally Posted by x_files View Post
    Thanks for your post. I wondered if it is a sexually driven crime or one out of anger.
    Either way it seems her upcoming marriage pushed him over the edge.
    How horrible.
    Sexually driven and out of anger are not mutually exclusive.
    If he had made sexual advances which she refused that could have led to her murder.

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    I had hoped there was nothing more to this case. I had a feeling there would always be something with it that we would never know happened, I just didn't expect it to be this much. It took me a long time to find peace in this horrible thing. I never even knew Annie and it effected me greatly. Now that I have read this, I don't know if I ever will feel at peace with this. I don't understand why the family signed the plea deal. I know it is hard for them to keep going to court but this monster got off easy. They have enough evidence to lock this monster away until his bones turn to dust but instead he will get out before he turns 70.

    Its so sad to know that Annie's life, or anyone's life, is only worth 44 years of justice these days, if that. The sentencing is nothing more than a hasty alternative and a direct insult to Annie. I don't understand if they had enough to convict him of the crime then why was a plea offer even given? He commited the most heinous and horrible crime anyone could possibly commit and will get out of jail before he dies of old age. I am still confused about the whole thing now. Why are they calling it an "attempted sexual assault" when they found Annie like they did?

    One last thing I would like to say is all of this stuff he is saying on how he is sorry for what he did is complete BS. He is only saying that because he got caught. Look what he dd shortly after he did this crime. He went with his girl friend to have ice cream. Does that look like someone who is sorry for what they did? He doesn't regret what he did one bit. But I guess thats what they all say isn't it? They are always sorry AFTER they do the crime. But as long as nobody knows then there is nothing to be sorry about, is there? These sick minded killers better get used to the heat because hell is getting so hot its burning the bottom of my feet with all of these psychotic cold blooded crimes. Let this murderer rot in jail then rot in hell.

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    And if this killer feels so bad about what he did then why doesn't he tell anyone why he did it? He already admitted to the crime so what does he have to lose now? Also his dad said he regretted this from the beginning meaning he knew his son did it all along but yet he continued to call him a caring person and what not. Seriously what the hell is wrong with people? This world is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harmony2 View Post
    I read here earlier but was very upset that he was able to plea down to 44 years from a possible death sentence. How many of the 44 years will he truly serve? At the very least he should have gotten life.

    I had not read this before... Is this true?

    Her body was found upside down stuffed behind a research lab wall

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/nyregion/18yale.html?_r=1

    And this...



    http://www.newhavenindependent.org/i...ie_le/id_34802

    He lusted after Annie alright.. What a sicko!!!!

    I am sorry... I should not post when I am upset... This is such a travesty of justice IMO..
    BBM Absolutely TRUE and part of the reason why I stepped away from "in-depth" comment regarding this case. This young woman received a brutal attack as evidenced by her pre-mortem injuries and as typical of a disorganized perp, her corpse was disposed of in a haphazard, "disrespectful" manner; a condition which caused even greater "disfigurement" than just decomposition of the time duration might do!

    Regarding the extent of time in prison: IF he EVER receives parole, it WILL be a miracle as it is the intent of MANY who served in this case to attend any P-board hearings since their voices were NOT heard within a courtroom!

    septc: not elaborating regarding "motive" is in HIS favor regarding HIS future i.e. parole, "good behavior rewards", criminal "status" in prison. The CLARK family comments are disassociating this behavior from the "boy they knew" and other interviews claim they can't "understand" this break in his "caring" personality. (IMHO......DENIAL but "whatever" survival of the family unit). Addressing the "attempted sexual assault" is the legal term to identify what the forensic evidence established at the post and nope, not going into detail! Graphic information from the post was presented, the family DID NOT want to endure it within the courtroom.
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