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Thread: FL - Jacksonville, WhtMale 1616UMFL, 22-48, Suicide by PVC Pipe Zip-Shotgun, Nov'99

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    FL - Jacksonville, WhtMale 1616UMFL, 22-48, Suicide by PVC Pipe Zip-Shotgun, Nov'99

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    Unidentified White Male

    * The victim was discovered on November 28, 1999 in Jacksonville, Duval County, Florida
    * State of Remains: Partial Skeleton
    * An intraoral gunshot wound is present in the cranium

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 22-48 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'9".
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Fracturing of the cranium is consistent with an intraoral gunshot wound; a sternal foramen is present, located 10 cm from the manubriosternal junction.
    * Clothing: Green shorts; shirt remnant; sandals.
    * Fingerprints: Not available
    * Dentals: Sliver amalgam restoration on #3, 18, 19, 30, 31; postmortem dental radiographs are available.
    * DNA: Available - University of North Texas.

    Case History
    The victim was discovered adjacent to a small clearing in a wooded area at 10014 Atlantic Boulevard in Jacksonville, Florida on November 28, 1999.
    Remains were discovered by two transients who had entered the woods to smoke; they noticed the remains after moving some old tires to sit on.
    Found in association with the remains were two live shotgun shells, one spent shell, and a zip-gun constructed of PVC piping. Embedded in the dirt against the maxilla was a piece of plastic which appeared to be shotgun shell wadding.
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    This one looks good on resemblance, as well as age and timeline:

    John Leslie Welty
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/welty_john.html



    The height is a little off (FWIW).
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    Major issue is distance and method of death.

    Davie, FL is 325 miles from Jacksonville. If John were taken there and killed, the method of death seems odd - a staged suicide with an unhidden body seems too elaborate for a drugs murder. If he killed himself, why go so far to do it? As a drug user would he have had the ability to do so?

    None of that is necessarily inconsistent of course. 2" on skeletal remains seems less of a problem to me.

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    It certainly looks like a good match. It mentions the UID was wearing sandals... I personally wouldn't wear sandals into a wooded area. He could have been forced at gun point. If John was abusing drugs there's a good chance he was involved with some shifty people. A gunshot to the head for some outstanding cash perhaps doesn't sound too far fetched.

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