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    UK - Ann Noblett, 17, Marshalls Heath, Herts, 30 Dec 1957

    Also known as 'The deep freeze murder'

    http://www.stalbansreview.co.uk/nost...y/annenoblett/

    Ann Noblett was found in similar circumstances to Joanna Yeates in Bristol, the body had possibly been frozen before being dumped in woodland.
    Obviously not the same person involved but similar problems for the Police.

    Jo Yeates murder
    UK - Architect: Jo Yeates, 27, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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    Interesting - a case I hadn't heard of.

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    Good one, thanks RH. I remember reading about this long ago; when it was being wondered (still is I think) if JY had been on the verge where she was discovered since just after she went missing, I was trying to remember this case (as, if JY had been placed there later, she could have been, say, kept in a deep freeze till then) but couldn't think of it.

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    On the Jo Yeates thread there was lots of discussion about whether a frozen body could be lifted easily onto the verge, seems Ann was carried 100 yards into bush. 11 stone is hell of a weight to move frozen or not but it was obviously done.
    I also noted Ann had possibly been re-dressed, I think it's possible Jo was too and it's not been released. Sexual gratification doesn't always present itself as rape and I think in Jo's case it was sexual but not in the 'norm' IYSWIM.
    I'm a believer Jo was frozen either by being left somewhere outside or in a freezer and moved when an alibi was available. The crying girl could well have been a member of VT's family knowing the timeline was moved back or forward.
    There must be hundreds of folk going to meet their maker wondering if they will be judged by a higher force and so they should.

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    I think I'm going with the "body wasn't in a deep-freeze - the location where found was the site of death" theory. Hard to tote 11 stone very far, and the notion of an accomplice violates Occam's Razor rule about needlessly adding new assumptions. An interesting aspect is the 1.50 found in the purse, but I believe that Scotland Yard, et al., were outthinking themselves in trying to solve this one - refrigerated trucks prowling lanes, money left so-as to avoid facing gallows, etc. It was what it was - a death after a walk - perhaps a forced one - in the wood. The biologists said the body had lain there a fortnight at least; chances are it was there the full month. Chances are she entered the car willingly and her killer was known to her. This case should have been solved.

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    You could very well be correct.
    I've searched the net looking for the cause of death and can't find any reference to it, it's possible it's in the many books available on the subject.

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    Interesting similarity to another murder noted at end of article.

    http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/46...e_frozen_body/

    FACT TWO: Police investigating the murder of Mary Kriek, 19, a Dutch girl found battered to death at Boxted, Essex, on January 6, 1958, joined forces for a time with the Scotland Yard/Hertfordshire investigation into the murder of Anne Noblett.

    There were similarities in the two cases, in that each girl was seen getting off a bus, alone.

    In 1959, police arrested two suspects at Southend, and questioned them about both murders.

    One of them turned out to be a refrigeration expert. Both were released without charge.
    wfgodot: Thanks for starting a thread for Mary Kriek, UK UK ∙ Mary Kriek, 19, au pair from Holland murdered in Colchester 05 January 1958 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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    This looks like where Anne was buried, most possibly with her relatives. Note - comment on Page 2
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=224862&page=2

    http://www.completetext.com/wheathampstead.html

    In memory of Anne Noblett 30-12-1957 aged 17
    Thomas John Noblett 25-11-1985 aged 75

    Sacred to the memory of Thomas James Noblett 16-10-1940 aged 60
    Lydia Ann Noblett 2-2-1975 aged 95
    Leonard Robert Noblett 20-9-2001 aged 87
    Enid Margaret Noblett (Peggy) beloved wife of Leonard 22-9-03 aged 85
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    That 1.5 Pounds seems like more money than a 17 y/o would need to be carrying around and that doesn't even allow for what she might have spent during her outing. This was before the Pound was devalued in the 1960s and plus inflation, that would be about 17 Pounds or $28 US today.
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    That would have been on a Monday evening the day before New Year's Eve.

    I don't know what sort of time England was on but I'm pretty sure that 6 in the evening at that time of year would have been well after dark. But, she and her friend on the scooter were still out and alone? If it was in America, this time would have been during the Christmas/New Year school break but, again, I don't know about England. Perhaps some UK posters can clear some of this up.
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    The frozen part is a puzzler. It does look like she was there for a long time but then how was she frozen? The story sounds like the weather wasn't that cold. Freezing is 32 degrees F. but that is pure water. I'm sort of guessing but it would seem that a body with all its dissolved ingredients acting as antifreeze would at least need to get down to something like 28 degrees F. to freeze solid. Maybe some forensic scientist can tell me if I'm anywhere in the ballpark.

    Edit: For what it's worth, Wiki Answers says that meat freezes at 28 degrees F so I think I'm pretty close.
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    I’m leaning toward the idea that the murderer placed Ann’s body in the woods after the initial searches. If he was known to Ann and her family he would be privy to the areas which were searched and therefore when the timing would be right to place her body in the woods.

    The discovery of the body at this spot was strange indeed, for not surprisingly, Ann’s parents had reported her missing immediately, and the woods were searched on New Year’s Eve by police with tracker dogs. It was searched again, this time with the help of 300 soldiers and local people, again without success. The lane, in fact, is a cart track, and was used as a short cut by locals in those days, though not so often, perhaps, at that time of year. Yet during the searches, and afterwards, over a period of a month, no-one had seen Ann Noblett’s body, not even gamekeepers, well acquainted with the woods and surrounding land.
    Also crucial was the discovery that Ann, who was found fully clothed and wearing her overcoat, had been stripped and re-dressed, proved by buttons on her underclothes being wrongly done up, a mistake Ann would not have made. She was found lying, as though asleep, still wearing her spectacles.
    To me, this also speaks to familiarity with the victim.

    Still, though, where and how did he keep the body frozen until he presumably moved it to the woods?

    http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/nos...y/annenoblett/

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    WWH, last photo at the bottom, I'll bet that's Ann's Grandfather Tom snr. I read his sons were rugby players, playing for a local team. I found two names Leonard and Thomas, the 3rd IDK. One of them must be Ann's father.
    Edited to add the third son was Edward.

    http://www.wheathampstead.net/history/hist16.htm


    Page 5 - Thomas SNR, managing director of Helmets
    http://www.helmets.co.uk/media/01_Fr...elmets_Ltd.pdf
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    http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/s...ons/topics/725

    Thomas Noblett - a director of Helmets, then Wheathampstead's largest employer - notified the police. Within days Scotland Yard was called in and 300 soldiers joined the hunt. In January Mr Noblett told the Herts Advertiser that he and his wife had received so many messages of sympathy that they were completely overwhelmed and her uncle Leonard Noblett commented to the newspaper: "Since the recent unfortunate occurrence, there has been considerable agitation for lighting on that spot. People here are afraid to walk round."

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    I have been looking at Ann's background. Ann wasn't just any old girl, she was the Grand daughter to a quite wealthy family who owned 'Helmets' see Pathe film link

    http://www.britishpathe.com/search/q...pstead+helmets

    I'm going out with my theory about Ann. Initially I think it was thought she was kidnapped for ransom and they were half expecting she was being held somewhere.
    This, IMO, is why the murderer had to try to preserve her body. Ask yourself why anybody would go to that trouble unless they were trying to deflect the investigation to her death not being on the day she went missing.
    I think she was taken from her road by somebody travelling in the same direction and was offered a lift which she accepted, knowing the driver.
    What ever reason was given I don't know but I believe she was driven past her home and taken somewhere where an assault took place. She had to be killed because she knew her attacker and had to be silenced.
    Her body was kept left somewhere until the murderer had knowledge about what I think is the ransom theory. The murderer then realised it was in his best interest to go back to the body and try to preserve it, not realising all this would be thwarted by her digestive system.

    Whoever took Ann's life knew her and what was happening between the Police and her parents.
    I'm looking in a certain direction but until I've followed up background details about the person, his work addresses and social life I'm not yet happy to throw out another theory.


    I have been told by a poster, Wishuwerehere, that there's a book out called ''Hertfordshire casebook'' by Paul Heslop, published in 2007, the author was a Policeman for 30 years and discusses Ann's case in his book. Scroll down to the 3rd book.
    I would love him to join us here and see if he can add anything to my theory.
    http://www.rjerrard.co.uk/law/bookca...ookcastle.html

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