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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrooper View Post
    I am thinking this is Ruth Hoffman. Still waiting to hear back from LE.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/821/4/
    And it's official... This Doe was Ruth Hoffman.

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    "Ruth Hoffman, who went missing out of River Rouge in June 1986, was identified last month using DNA. Acting Sgt. Jeff Pauli of the Monroe County Sheriff’s Office said Hoffman’s remains were found in that county in December 1986."

    http://www.freep.com/article/2013090...g-Michigan-DNA

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    had anyone from here submitted Ruth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    had anyone from here submitted Ruth?
    mtrooper did in 2011
    'Nothing clears up a case so much as stating it to another person.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    had anyone from here submitted Ruth?
    I submitted it back in 2011, just couldn't get an answer until DNA was complete and family was notified.

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    then do we have a match? well done mtrooper!

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    then do we have a match? well done mtrooper!
    Yes it was match. I feel so bad for Ruth and her family, I wish the outcome would have been more positive. Now all we can do is hope that the person or persons responsible for this tragedy will be brought to justice. RIP Ruth

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    Prayers for Ruths family. Well done mtrooper

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    mtrooper, many, many thanks for helping to return Ms. Hoffman to her family.

    The Doe Network case files for the unidentified (792UFMI) and the missing person, Ms. Hoffman (1690DFMI), are still up and the NamUs entries (UP # 8380, MP # 821) are still in Google cache. List of some differences, which are exceedingly common, especially in older cases:

    UID (792UFMI): Estimated age: 45-56 years old
    MP (Ruth Sharon Hoffman, 1690DFMI): Age: 44 years old

    UID: Approximate height: 5' 3" (63 inches)
    MP: Height: 5' 6" (66 inches) [Doe Network], 5' 7" (67 inches) [NamUs]

    UID: Hair: brown
    MP: Hair: blonde [Doe Network], blond/strawberry (sometimes worn red) [NamUs]

    UID: Clothing: "Clothing associated with the body included a black silk tank top with 'GOLDEN EAGLE BAR' Sumpter, MI printed on it. She also had black with grey pinstriped jogging shorts on and a pair of flat black strappy sandles with ankle straps."
    MP: Clothing: "Red, small sized half top, cropped with bare midriff, Gloria Vanderbilt blue jeans (size 9), White Nike tennis shoes, Brown leather coat; mid-length. She was also carrying a brown leather purse, with a saddle bag style flap over center zipper."

    UID: Other: "Staining on the palate of the denture is consistent with excessive smoking."
    MP: Other: "Ruth is a nonsmoker; she very rarely drank alcohol." [Doe Network; but note in the missing person Websleuths thread for Ms. Hoffman, her daughter states that Ms. Hoffman did smoke daily and drank occasionally.]

    The things that matched — timing of disappearance vs. remains recovery, the upper dentures, possible orofacial injury, approximate age, etc. — were more significant than the discrepancies, as mtrooper obviously knew.

    Ms. Hoffman's missing person thread, started by her daughter, is long but worth a look. It's unfortunately a pretty clear reminder of the roadblocks that family and friends of missing persons face. Ms. Hoffman's daughter had to refile long after her mother's disappearance and states that she was told at one point that her mother had closed her own missing persons report in 2004.

    Found Deceased MI - Ruth Hoffman: My Mom!, 44, River Rouge, 7 July 1986 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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    Congrats Mtrooper! I hope Ruth's family has some closure now..

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    Great job, mtrooper!

    May Ruth's family have peace as they deal with this final chapter


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    Wonderful Job mtrooper! Thank you!!!

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    Wow great news and mtrooper how rewarding to have helped Ruth's family!

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    Excellent job, mtrooper! We're starting to see more cases of MP's found almost immediately after their disappearance but aren't id'd for more than a decade.... It makes me really sad for the families.

    Prayers said for Ruth's family who never gave up searching for her.
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    Great Job MTROOPER!

    RIP Ruth.

    I've read a lot about her, my question is now "who was using her identity". There was a traffic ticket issued under her former name and records indicating she was alive as of 2003. Even in death there are so many unanswered questions, which makes me even more sad for her family.

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    mtrooper, excellent work and thank you for your patient diligence on Ruth's behalf. No case is ever too cold.
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