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    observing casey non reactions

    Many observations , postings, opinions of caseys reactions by well respected experts. Then we have our OWN amazing posters here who sometimes CAN PUT THE SO CALLED EXPERTS TO SHAME WITH WHAT THEY RESEARCH AND POST. Variety of backgrounds, educations, thoughts on threads.
    I have been in the courtroom hearings, have read the blogs, and the most chilling feeling I have is to sit in the actual courtroom and see casey in front of me looking like a young teen with no reactions of sobbing, crying, shock or grief. yes , sometimes one can see anger, or eyebrows twitching, a smile a giggle .
    scribbling on a legal pad, folding the paper, passing notes and not seeing a reaction as to the words spoken of decomp, plant life growing thru bones and other things that make one cringe . Everyone can play doctor and give it a name. I have seen no indication of her turning into a multiple personality in front of my eyes - can she dissociate so well she is in another reality as I sit in courtroom and try and catch one flinch of omg- thats my baby they are talking about - DECOMP!! FOUND THIS ON DISSOCIATION . Some may say a lot worst title than this however she shocks me over and over again. If innocent or guilty why not reactions of grief? I heard Ashton in court and I gasped when he told his statements way back. did she???? People with dissociative disorders chronically escape their reality in involuntary, unhealthy ways ranging from suppressing memories to assuming alternate identities. The patterns of dissociative disorders usually develop as a reaction to trauma and function to keep difficult memories at bay. Up to 7 percent of the U.S. population may experience a dissociative disorder in their lifetime.

    Treatment for dissociative disorders may include psychotherapy, hypnosis and medication. Although the course of therapy can be difficult, many people with dissociative disorders are able to learn new ways of coping and lead healthy, productive lives.

    Symptoms common to all types of dissociative disorders include:

    * Memory loss (amnesia) of certain time periods, events and people
    * Mental health problems, including depression and anxiety
    * A sense of being detached from yourself (depersonalization)
    * A perception of the people and things around you as distorted and unreal (derealization)
    * A blurred sense of identity

    Each of the four major dissociative disorders is characterized by a distinct mode of dissociation. Dissociative disorder symptoms may include:

    * Dissociative amnesia. Memory loss that's more extensive than normal forgetfulness and can't be explained by a physical or neurological condition is the hallmark of this condition. Sudden-onset amnesia following a traumatic event, such as a car accident, happens infrequently. More commonly, conscious recall of traumatic periods, events or people in your life — especially from childhood — is simply absent from your memory.
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    Dissociation may be related to her personality disorders. We haven't heard the psych reports yet, but she's got some definite personality disorders, many of which probably include dissociation. If she feels no guilt, why would she have a reaction? She wouldn't, unless she is immitating someone that she has seen do it in the past, or if she knows that's expected. It she's a psychopath she's emotionally shallow, and just doesn't feel it, rather than dissociating, and trying to separate from the feeling, if that makes sense.
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    I find it is so hard to try and be rational and accept this non reactions -i can not understand it.. I would assume- a dangerous word when we talk of logic- that if someone was innocent and someone else killed the child of theirs- the reaction of hearing of a child reduced to words of decomp, bones, fatty acids, stains, leaking garbage would make one go beserk. If one was guilty, the flashbacks of the words along with the deed, would freak one out I assume too. You know what they say about ASSUME- GUESS I WOULD BE THE A--. I BELIEVE EVERYONE WOULD ACT AS IF A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN WHEN THEY HEARD WORDS SAID IN THAT COURTROOM IF THE MOM. Guess not -sad but true for her. I think the world has logic to it - my biggest mistake .
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    I think you may very well be right LittleMissLegal, but unfortunately for ICA, HHJP said "diminished mental capacity"is not allowed in the guilt phase of the trial. So the DT is going to have to come up with something to get around that limitation in Florida, and I'm not so sure they are going to be able to.

    HHJP is watching this very closely...I have faith in him. A person can have a personality disorder and still be found to be guilty and sentenced to Death or LWOP.

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    years ago I worked for a lcsw who specialty was multiple personality and grief . cult survivors and sex abuse. I saw it all. one client had 16 personas . We drew her a family tree.It was all her. It was chilling to see her turn into another. I felt it was a stranger- everything felt different. Her reactions to us in office-i felt i did not know this one. She crawled under my desk and became a child. I was not the therapist - but her assistant. I had a lot of responsibility and read charts and took calls - did myer - briggs test. Lots of people have the codes of diagnosis-crazy- and some were hurt by life. I never heard anything that compares to this case in a actual therapy session , even those who had many levels of confusions.
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    Several of the jurors in the Scott Peterson case got together and wrote a book. It is a very interesting read. And they did comment on Scott Peterson's lack of emotion and lack of reaction throughout the trial. Nothing - not even during the gruesome parts, and that was some pretty gruesome stuff, what with dogs having chewed on Laci's torso, etc.

    I think this is just how sociopaths are. Casey sitting there may appear to be one thing. But what she actually IS is vastly different. That tape didn't get attached to that baby's skull on its own. She PUT it there.

    I doubt any jury would convict someone based on their demeanor. But I think that demeanor combined with evidence will result in a conviction.

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    yeah well.. a lot of people are crazy..
    a lot of people have sociopathic tendencies or some sort of personality disorder or anxiety/depression... and have been abused etc...
    that's NO excuse for harming your child.
    if casey didn't kill her and it was an accident and she wasn't thinking clearly and used the duct tape to stage a kid napping, then she should've gotten over herself and told the truth. she had many opportunities and imo, her DT kept her from telling the truth so they're partially to blame for her demise, should she be found guilty.

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    I can not imagine her reactions in her dreams, thoughts, the ones she keeps silent behind the wall of non reactions. In her sleep does she wake up in night terrors, in her waking hours does she fear the jury who could say guilty you life ends as you ever knew it?. Maybe not so soon ,but a death sentence of lwop or just plain death row.
    Is the reaction to be so well cold from her on final days of trial -we will be the ones throwing things at the tv ? How long before she re- acts and knows time is not on her side ? Or is it? Will she walk ?
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    "They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have."

    Don't sit around waiting for her to realize time is not on her side. It will never happen. She'll always think she's above something really happening to her. Even if she ends up on death row, she'll always think that she'll get out of it, or someone will rescue her, or the governor will pardopn her, or whatever. She doesn't think like we think. We can't apply the way a normal person is, to her, because, it's just not there....no guilt, no remorse, just using people, and when they're used up or no longer of use to her, she has somebody else lined up, and moves on with no thought about it.

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    littlemiss: I don't think she'll walk. According to the many experienced attorneys who have commented, the State has a strong case. And remember, the jury will see the autopsy photos - of the skull with the duct tape in place and the bones with the roots growing through them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by littlemisslegal View Post
    I can not imagine her reactions in her dreams, thoughts, the ones she keeps silent behind the wall of non reactions. In her sleep does she wake up in night terrors, in her waking hours does she fear the jury who could say guilty you life ends as you ever knew it?. Maybe not so soon ,but a death sentence of lwop or just plain death row.
    Is the reaction to be so well cold from her on final days of trial -we will be the ones throwing things at the tv ? How long before she re- acts and knows time is not on her side ? Or is it? Will she walk ?
    Is it very hard to sit there and watch, LML?

    PS- you can't imagine how unemotional a sociopath is. IMO, Casey is probably ticked off that she's still has this little itsy bitsy problem...cause she is so past this. But, just you wait for the waterworks come trial time...sociopaths will imitate what's "normal" and I'm sure she's being groomed as we speak. It just never will be "natural" for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capri View Post
    "They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have."

    Don't sit around waiting for her to realize time is not on her side. It will never happen. She'll always think she's above something really happening to her. Even if she ends up on death row, she'll always think that she'll get out of it, or someone will rescue her, or the governor will pardopn her, or whatever. She doesn't think like we think. We can't apply the way a normal person is, to her, because, it's just not there....no guilt, no remorse, just using people, and when they're used up or no longer of use to her, she has somebody else lined up, and moves on with no thought about it.

    JMHO, of course
    Freaky Capri...you read my mind. Guess you know one also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RR0004 View Post
    Is it very hard to sit there and watch, LML?

    PS- you can't imagine how unemotional a sociopath is. IMO, Casey is probably ticked off that she's still has this little itsy bitsy problem...cause she is so past this. But, just you wait for the waterworks come trial time...sociopaths will imitate what's "normal" and I'm sure she's being groomed as we speak. It just never will be "natural" for her.
    I think she'll cry plenty just like she did at her bail hearing way back when. Scott Peterson cried at his trial as well when it became obvious the jury wasn't buying the bs.

    What Casey does that I've noticed is a pouty, pity party, poor thing, feel sorry for me, I'm a victim too. I've seen her do this many, many times. A good example that sticks in my head is the time JB was arguing to have that jail video sealed. He is as big a drama queen as Casey for sure. The big bad policeman and prison officials set her up. The cameras pan on her quite often and you can clearly see her bottom lip and jaw jutted out a little.

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    I don't think she is anything but an ordinary sociopath. She knows what she did, she hasn't forgotten or disassociated. She knew exactly what she did and she knew it was wrong when she did it or she never would have lied. She simply thinks she is smarter than the rest of the world and will get away with it. She doesn't care about anyone or anything other than herself. She has gotten by with lying her whole life and has no reason to believe she won't get away with it now.

    I've been in the courtroom and watched the videos of the hearings as well. She does react sometimes... it's usually anger and it's whenever someone doesn't believe her lies. She fake cries now and then but that's just to try and get some sympathy or make herself look pitiful. She's gotten by with that as she grew up as well so she does that when her lies aren't immediately believed. Unfortunately, she's a terrible actress so it's not working to well for her outside of her family. Well, maybe once the tears were real... that day in when she was held without bond and she was crying for herself... because the judge didn't believe her story and turn her loose. She's cold, calculating and unfeeling. I've met other people like her before. It's like they have ice water in their veins and you feel like you are in the presence of evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strach304 View Post
    I think she'll cry plenty just like she did at her bail hearing way back when. Scott Peterson cried at his trial as well when it became obvious the jury wasn't buying the bs.

    What Casey does that I've noticed is a pouty, pity party, poor thing, feel sorry for me, I'm a victim too. I've seen her do this many, many times. A good example that sticks in my head is the time JB was arguing to have that jail video sealed. He is as big a drama queen as Casey for sure. The big bad policeman and prison officials set her up. The cameras pan on her quite often and you can clearly see her bottom lip and jaw jutted out a little.
    Classic Sociopath behavior...the pity party! How could "they" do this to me, be so mean to me, not believe me (even though I'm lying).

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