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    MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28 December 2010 - #6

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    Phylicia Barnes is from Monroe, North Carolina and was visiting the Baltimore area with her family when she was reported missing. Police believe she was abducted and suspect foul play.

    From Wednesday February 2nd, 2011 Baltimore LE presser:

    We want people in the Bmore area to concentrate on that Tuesday. They may have seen something that makes no sense, that doesn’t seem significant to them, but in light of THIS, it may have significance to US.


    Anyone with information about Barnes’ whereabouts is asked to call Baltimore's Missing Persons Unit at 443-984-7385.

    If you have any information on this young girl, you are urged to call 1-800-843-5678,or the Baltimore Maryland City Police Department at 1-410-396-2525.

    Added 'tipline' additional number which appears in numerous MSM articles:

    The Baltimore Police Department is asking anyone with information on this case to call 855-223-0033.


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    What happened? Why??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACH50 View Post
    What happened? Why??
    Anytime a thread gets to be 500 or so posts a new one is opened.

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    quasi time-line

    Timeline
    Dec. 27
    PB communicated with sister SS in NC, and with a friend in Monroe. Not sure of times. But we have outside confirmation that PB was alive on the 27th.
    PB and DB arrived home from work, and there were others at the apartment. The cousin, the little brother, PB, and DB slept at the apartment that night.

    Dec. 28
    DB left the apartment at 8:45 am to go to work. PB stayed home. DB said she left PB in the bedroom they were sharing.
    Not sure when Cousin left the apartment or IF he left.

    A bunch of stuff has been reported, NONE of which is credible, IMO.
    Including the following:
    MJ came to the apartment around 9 am to pick up lil bro (16 yr old).
    Around 10:30 am or so, MJ returned to the apartment to pack for his move, and do laundry.
    According to MJ, PB was up, just out of the shower, when he got there, and there has been a lot of reports about what PB and MJ did from his 10:30 arrival to his 1:30 departure. Computer stuff, hair, laundry, chatting, texting, FB snooping, calling KB/DB, sleeping, etc. Because there is SO MUCH CONFUSION about what actually occurred, I won't list it all here. (See previous timelines, posted near the beginning of each thread.)
    What has been stated clearly, without variation is that MJ left the apartment at 1:30 pm, and PB was asleep on the couch and had mumbled something about getting something to eat. ETA: But again, this is all based on what MJ has told everyone. So what really happened???

    KB was supposed to pick PB up at 1:30, after KB got off work. She called/texted, and could not reach PB, so she did not go to the apartment.

    Around 3:30, KB communicated with DB, learned that PB was asleep at 1:30, and decided to let her sleep.

    MJ/Lilbro/Cousin (not sure who, or even when) returned to the apartment around 5, found PB gone, and door unlocked (but closed), music loud, and dog still at home.

    DB returns to the apartment around 6 pm to find PB gone. Chaos ensues, calls are made.

    Around 8 pm B'more time, JS calls DB because JS has not been able to reach PB. JS learns of PB's disappearance.

    BB, PB's brother in B'more, checks PB's computer to see if there are any clues. her computer was open, and her social networking sites were still open.

    Dec. 29
    RB, father arrives. The list of POI's is made.

    Dec. 30
    JS, mother arrives, grills DB and KB, but then is not allowed to speak to MJ. (she leaves 2 days later). Js shares what she learns from DB about drugs, alcohol, and men in the apartment, but is quickly shut down and condemned for doing so by the B family.

    (I have not listed sources. I've posted a time line each thread, but I didn't want to copy/past, because so much of what we've been working with is, in my opinion, now called into question. So this is a skeleton.)
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    Phylicia's uncle (HW) has named MJ on the Prayer page.
    Maybe that will get the ball rolling...

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pray-f...2243339?v=wall

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    Thank you so much for the quasi-time-line georgiajean.

    1:30pm seems to be the time BPD is going with when asking the public for help/info/tips. Since we can't consider MJ's information credible, I'd like to know why LE is confident enough with this time they have focused on this specific time the public. Why 1:30pm as opposed to 10:30am?

    Surely BPD isn't taking MJ's word for it - so how exactly did LE confirm this time frame, early afternoon?
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    When was the last time a non B'more friend or family member spoke with PB? IIRC her mom had not spoken with her since the day following Christmas? (someone please correct me if the 26th is inaccurate).

    Did PB verbally speak with any non B'more friends or family after contacting her sister SS? OR was sister SS the last contact outside of the B'more group?

    Are there any witnesses to MJ doing his laundry?
    Are there any witnesses (non family/non friend) who can place MJ at the apartment until 1:30 pm the day PB went missing?
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    I will bring my question over from the last thread; was it stated that P usually went with her sister to work, or always went with her? If she "always" went, except for that day, it is very odd indeed that no one called her (and that she did not go.)

    I don't understand why LE would have been able to pinpoint a timeline at all, if no one actually spoke to P since possibly early in the AM before her sister went to work; how could they know for sure that someone did not pretend to be P on texts and computer?
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Question: does PB and SS have the same father? Just wondering because if they do, I wonder why SS didn't have the same kind of relationship with the B family as PB did - and also if SS has any insight into the whole B clan...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    When was the last time a non B'more friend or family member spoke with PB? IIRC her mom had not spoken with her since the day following Christmas? (someone please correct me if the 26th is inaccurate).

    Did PB verbally speak with any non B'more friends or family after contacting her sister SS? OR was sister SS the last contact outside of the B'more group?

    Are there any witnesses to MJ doing his laundry?
    Are there any witnesses (non family/non friend) who can place MJ at the apartment until 1:30 pm the day PB went missing?
    JT (best friend of PB, in Monroe) Skyped with PB on the 27th.
    SS (Sister in Monroe) communicated with PB on the 27th, though I have not seen it stated if this was text, phone, skype, or what.
    No word on when either communication took place, or if any other communication occurred.
    There was facebook communication, but no verbal/skype reported. There could have been, and we don't know it, which may influence LE's timeline.
    JS said she last spoke to PB on Christmas Day ("I said none of the kids were going anywhere next year for Christmas because I was so lonely without them, and she (PB) said Mommy, I miss you too.")

    Your last two questions are very important. Those questions may be related to LE's time line as well. But I have not seen those questions answered in the affirmative, anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belimom View Post
    Question: does PB and SS have the same father? Just wondering because if they do, I wonder why SS didn't have the same kind of relationship with the B family as PB did - and also if SS has any insight into the whole B clan...
    PB and SS have a different father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    I will bring my question over from the last thread; was it stated that P usually went with her sister to work, or always went with her? If she "always" went, except for that day, it is very odd indeed that no one called her (and that she did not go.)

    I don't understand why LE would have been able to pinpoint a timeline at all, if no one actually spoke to P since possibly early in the AM before her sister went to work; how could they know for sure that someone did not pretend to be P on texts and computer?
    From the Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/todays...35_epaper.html) Which broke a lot of the facts we only recently learned, like the little brother AND cousin being at the house.
    Phylicia went to work most days with Barnes, a pharmacy technician, or another half sister, Kelly Barnes, 25, assistant manager of a day care in Columbia, relatives said. She also has a half brother, Bryan Barnes, 23, in Baltimore. She kept in touch with friends and family by calling, texting and posting on Facebook, police said.
    bbm

    Another important quote:
    Deena Barnes said that the night before Phylicia disappeared, Dec. 27, they had returned home from her job in the early evening. Her ex-boyfriend and former roommate, his 16-year-old brother and his 21-year-old cousin, who is also a roommate, were at the apartment, she said.

    When Deena Barnes left for work the next morning at 8:45, Phylicia was asleep in a bedroom they were sharing. The ex-boyfriend went to the apartment that morning to pick up his brother. Phylicia texted her later that he was there and doing laundry. Barnes exchanged texts with Phylicia and her ex-boyfriend and had at least one phone call with Phylicia. But just after noon, Phylicia stopped responding. to texts and calls went to voice mail. At 1:04 p.m., the ex-boyfriend texted her that Phylicia was sleeping and had told him she later planned “to go get something to eat.”

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    Regarding the timeline, remember that (unless this has been discredited) on the Pray for PB page a friend of PB's said that PB commented on a facebook photo a little after 11:00 on 12/28. Of course, it depends on what the comment said, but I think if it was someone (MJ, etc.) pretending to be PB they wouldn't have risked commenting on a friend's photo.

    Also, DB previously indicated she and PB had been texting about beauty supplies, specifically Neutrogena Skin ID. I do not believe that if it were MJ/etc. sending those texts he could have fooled DB in that conversation.

    Of course, remember that the Barnes family targeted their fliers in the Frederick Ave/N. Bend Road neighborhood. They are saying, without saying, that MJ/etc. are the ones responsible for PB's disappearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fleur.de.lis View Post
    Regarding the timeline, remember that (unless this has been discredited) on the Pray for PB page a friend of PB's said that PB commented on a facebook photo a little after 11:00 on 12/28. Of course, it depends on what the comment said, but I think if it was someone (MJ, etc.) pretending to be PB they wouldn't have risked commenting on a friend's photo.

    Also, DB previously indicated she and PB had been texting about beauty supplies, specifically Neutrogena Skin ID. I do not believe that if it were MJ/etc. sending those texts he could have fooled DB in that conversation.

    Of course, remember that the Barnes family targeted their fliers in the Frederick Ave/N. Bend Road neighborhood. They are saying, without saying, that MJ/etc. are the ones responsible for PB's disappearance.

    Maybe MJ could have faked it, maybe not. FWIW, I've run into a few men in my life who were knowledgable of skin care and makeup. For the sole reason they were particular about their womans appearance. If MJ was particular about such things it's possible he had enough knowledge to fake it pretending to just answer questions and listen to what big sister had to share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleur.de.lis View Post
    Regarding the timeline, remember that (unless this has been discredited) on the Pray for PB page a friend of PB's said that PB commented on a facebook photo a little after 11:00 on 12/28. Of course, it depends on what the comment said, but I think if it was someone (MJ, etc.) pretending to be PB they wouldn't have risked commenting on a friend's photo.

    Also, DB previously indicated she and PB had been texting about beauty supplies, specifically Neutrogena Skin ID. I do not believe that if it were MJ/etc. sending those texts he could have fooled DB in that conversation.

    Of course, remember that the Barnes family targeted their fliers in the Frederick Ave/N. Bend Road neighborhood. They are saying, without saying, that MJ/etc. are the ones responsible for PB's disappearance.
    I am going to say this as succinctly as I can... Any reported communication with PB, with people inside the circle of folks connected to that apartment, is suspect, IMO. I am not saying anyone is telling lies. But until corroborating evidence is released, I reserve the right to suspect everyone.

    The comment on her friend's photo is a communication that MJ would have no real reason to fake, but it is still a technological communication, not real-voice, real-time. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgiajean View Post
    I am going to say this as succinctly as I can... Any reported communication with PB, with people inside the circle of folks connected to that apartment, is suspect, IMO. I am not saying anyone is telling lies. But until corroborating evidence is released, I reserve the right to suspect everyone.

    The comment on her friend's photo is a communication that MJ would have no real reason to fake, but it is still a technological communication, not real-voice, real-time. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgiajean View Post
    I am going to say this as succinctly as I can... Any reported communication with PB, with people inside the circle of folks connected to that apartment, is suspect, IMO. I am not saying anyone is telling lies. But until corroborating evidence is released, I reserve the right to suspect everyone.

    The comment on her friend's photo is a communication that MJ would have no real reason to fake, but it is still a technological communication, not real-voice, real-time. IMO
    AMEN! I agree 100%. Little corroborating evidence has been released and I too reserve the right to suspect everyone..... not to be mean or rude, but in the spirit of no stone unturned and in full support of locating and seeking justice for Phylicia.
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    AMEN! I agree 100%. Little corroborating evidence has been released and I too reserve the right to suspect everyone..... not to be mean or rude, but in the spirit of no stone unturned and in full support of locating and seeking justice for Phylicia.
    We are only getting what the media is giving us, however LE is getting a whole lot more. They have interviewed over 20 POI's numerous times. They have the phone, text, and computer records. So they have a very factual timeline. They continue to interview MJ so we have to believe that they know what they are doing.

    At first when the media was reporting this case LE didn't have the records from the text, phone, etc. Now they do, so they know exactly what type of communication took place. They have a solid timeline. I am sure LE knows if MJ sent the text for PB or if PB actually sent it herself. Remember the FBI is part of the LE working on this case, and they have specialist that only deal with these type of communications. We really can't say because we for one are not specialist and we don't have all of the evidence.

    If in fact MJ was faking the text convo with DB about the skin product and hair then DB would know that after the fact and LE would know that as well. Specialist can tell the climate of the conversation and have all the pings, text, etc. Also if it doesn't add up with what the POI's said in their interviews then they go deeper.

    The best thing (and the only real thing) that I got from the Peas interview is that DB and KB were working with LE and taking their advice, so this tells me that they all know that MJ and his crew are the problem and the guilty ones, they just need to figure out how? I believe they already have a motive and time they just need to figure out how. I even think that LE knows where.

    All things including what we know and what we don't know adds up to MJ. But what doesn't add up is the actions of DB and KB on the 28th????
    The only thing I can see DB and KB being guilty of is not telling the whole truth to the media. I just hope they told the whole truth to LE?

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    DB and KB would certainly not tell all to the media, nor should they. There are always certain things the family is privy too which can not be released to the public. And there are always things LE can not risk sharing with even family while an investigation is open.

    What concerns me is the contradicting information given to 'media' (let's include missing persons advocates such as peas') by DB and KB.
    DB and/or KB either verbally spoke to PB on the 28th or not.
    KB was either at DB's apartment on the evening of the 27th or not.
    DB was either surprised to come home on the 27th to find MJ, LB and C partying or having a party or not.
    KB and PB either had definate plans the afternoon of the 28th or not.


    How is the contradicting information benefiting the search for Phylicia? It's not.
    Any inaccurate information is taking attention off where it should be in order to search for PB in the right direction.........

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    I am confused as to how LE can know for sure who sent a text, or made an entry on the computer?
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    I wish PB's FB page wasn't set to private... that might answer many questions.

    My concerns with utilizing any electronic communication allegedly made by PB is MJ had access to both her cell phone and lap top. There is also no way of knowing the exact number of persons who had access to the apartment while DB was at work on the 28th. We've already got three persons, MJ, LB and C, who could have posed as PB either on her lap top or her cell.

    I HOPE almost 4 months into this LE has had various experts review any electronic communication allegedly made by PB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    I wish PB's FB page wasn't set to private... that might answer many questions.

    My concerns with utilizing any electronic communication allegedly made by PB is MJ had access to both her cell phone and lap top. There is also no way of knowing the exact number of persons who had access to the apartment while DB was at work on the 28th. We've already got three persons, MJ, LB and C, who could have posed as PB either on her lap top or her cell.

    I HOPE almost 4 months into this LE has had various experts review any electronic communication allegedly made by PB.
    Having access to PB's facebook would be a huge benefit. Especially for looking at the days prior to the 28th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    I am confused as to how LE can know for sure who sent a text, or made an entry on the computer?
    There is a certain way that each one of us communicate. Whether by phone, text, etc. We all use different words to mean the same thing. Specialist can break all of this down, and know if it really was PB texting, or typing on the computer. Like someone said earlier, why would MJ comment on PB friends FB pic. and also how could he possibly know what to say that would be the norm for PB? With all that was going on that morning I don't think that MJ had time to think that far in advance to actually take the time to comment on PB's FB page.

    Just like now on this Website here, I can tell who is typing what, just by the tones of the post without sometimes looking at the names. I am sure if this is what I did for a living everyday was to analyst these postings, that I would definitely know who was really saying what?

    If I had a friend or relative type for me a respond on this page just for a day or even for a couple of hours you all would know the difference.
    There was said to be a whole lot of communication going on the morning of the 28th between DB, PB, MJ, and KB. So LE has plenty to work with and sort out. Which I believe they already have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    DB and KB would certainly not tell all to the media, nor should they. There are always certain things the family is privy too which can not be released to the public. And there are always things LE can not risk sharing with even family while an investigation is open.

    What concerns me is the contradicting information given to 'media' (let's include missing persons advocates such as peas') by DB and KB.
    DB and/or KB either verbally spoke to PB on the 28th or not.
    KB was either at DB's apartment on the evening of the 27th or not.
    DB was either surprised to come home on the 27th to find MJ, LB and C partying or having a party or not.
    KB and PB either had definate plans the afternoon of the 28th or not.


    How is the contradicting information benefiting the search for Phylicia? It's not.
    Any inaccurate information is taking attention off where it should be in order to search for PB in the right direction.........

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    That what my concern that I shared with Sophclown. Peas to me did not do that particular interview to help PB, but to try and clear DB and KB from all of the bashing that was going on about them. This is where the problem is?
    DB and KB have done nothing to help this case in the media and public eyes. Maybe to LE, but not for us, so when they continue to ask the public for help how are we so sort out things if we are confused with what they give us to go on?

    I hope that Sophclown understood my post and took it back to Peas, so that they understand the public's point for future shows.

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    Having access to PB's facebook would be a huge benefit. Especially for looking at the days prior to the 28th.
    What about her friends?

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