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    It's interesting about the "disposable" Phone I did a Google search on finding a Cell phone without a contract, it's not easy to find without leaving a trace.
    try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanler View Post
    Hi, Sistah Sleuth; they did apprehend the Craigslist Killer quickly, but he left a video and record trail that would have lit up the sky. And he left a witness.

    I think that tracing a disposable phone might tell you where it might have been purchased, but not much else. If someone can be more specific about this, I don't mind be contradicted or amended.
    I agree.

    By the way, these latest gruesome events should cause Craigslist to shut down. They should have been shut down years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIGHTEOUS1 View Post
    One thing that was said was the fact that he called from around MSG Penn Station, Homeland Security can pull those Camera shots which should be saved, in Midtown Manhattan you can't go anywhere without being on CCTV.
    Hi, Righteous1, that's true, but you also can't go anywhere in midtown Manhattan without being part of huge flowing crowds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sistah Sleuth View Post
    I agree.

    By the way, these latest gruesome events should cause Craigslist to shut down. They should have been shut down years ago.
    Hi, Sistah Sleuth, I agree. I find Craigslist chilling. I don't think that it makes safer for the girls; it makes it safer for the johns. These women are people's daughters and sisters.

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    Iam sitting in front of my television right now watching NG as iam sure ost of you are as well . Did that guy really just say there may not even be no seriel killer but a lot of coincidences come on nancy cut that guy's mic lol.. I have to say i am from On Canada and for myself its been the bernardo crimes seriel killer if he fits that catagory but other then him i have Never really had a seriel killer case that i was this heavilly covered all over the media the BTK AND ZODIAK are the ones that come to mind but all were started before my time so this is the first real big seriel killer case iam seeing upfront and kinda captured all my attention its pretty crazy i cant imagine living in L island . I would really like to comment too on something they just stated and that is the cause of death being strangulation because of a tie maybe being around the next . I dont agree at all have been for the reason alot of girls wear dress suits now adays i know they may have been escorts but not 24/7 they may of had a day job or came dressed like that because being a escort is looked at as being a class up from a prostitute there for the reason they come dressed in a dress kinda suit with a tie to make the client know hey this isn't your averege girl on the street its discreet and more professional ..just a thought..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanler View Post
    Hi, Righteous1, that's true, but you also can't go anywhere in midtown Manhattan without being part of huge flowing crowds.
    That's also true. It's not the one time you get caught on tape it's the second or that and a link to one of the girls it just takes a small break to make a Suspect into the right guy.

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    My sister called in the tip. The truck my sister saw on Bay Parkway is right by the fishing piers. hmmmm, I did not know that. My daughters BF said there are 4 fishing piers there. Its called Field 10. Theses fishing piers are opposite Zacks Bay/Jones Beach Theater off Wantagh Parkway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanler View Post
    Hi, NurseBeeMe, if you mean dismissed as a suspect, there's my hand. I think that johns are loathsome, but I think that everything so far points to an unknown man in a car who saw an attractive, very intoxicated young woman who seemed disoriented and took advantage of her.
    I couldn't disagree more. Maybe it's because I live in the area and know how desolate the area is and how most people from Long Island have never even been there. JB said some things that don't add up at all to SG's sister the week after her disappearance. He told them on the podcast that she didn't look like her picture and he told her to leave...three hours later she was still at the house culminating on her screaming someone is trying to kill her.

    I think he will be arrested. If I'm wrong, I'll buy you a beer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanler View Post
    Hi, Righteous1, that's true, but you also can't go anywhere in midtown Manhattan without being part of huge flowing crowds.
    Had he been standing in Penn station alone when they traced the phone call then he would have been arrested or at least brought in for questioning. But he was literally among hundreds of people and so he was not and could not be pinpointed.

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    Special thanks to Carbuf and TFrohning for giving us lists of missing girls and women.


    Jessica Paolini went missing from Cherry Hill, New Jersey after her mother dropped her off at a hospital. Jessica was from the Pennsauken area and had been known to go to Camden.

    When the four women were found in AC Jessica's mom called police to see if one was her DD.


    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/i.../t-299583.html



    O.K. I have probably a stupid question. Did all of these women have the same DOC?

    Do you think the SK used with them?


    JMO, but a heroin addict is going to be easier to murder if high. Someone smoking crack is amped. They'll fight you.

    Does the guy murder after he uses I'd say crack? Goes bonkers?

    Just throwing it out there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goathairjones View Post
    Security cameras may hold clues in NJ woman's disappearance
    (04/11/11) OAK BEACH - Security cameras in Oak Beach may have captured the final moments of 24-year-old Shannan Gilbert almost one year ago, but Suffolk County police have had no comment about the presence of the cameras.
    "It was more for security- if somebody hit the gate we knew who should pay for the repair. It wasn't really for any other purpose," says Oak Beach resident Susan Kane about the security cameras.

    There are a total of four cameras in the vicinity - two on the gatehouse that focus on the entrance and exit to the community and two others mounted on a nearby pole.

    Police say Gilbert, who worked online as a prostitute, was last seen running and screaming from a client's house in Oak Beach. The client has not been named as a suspect.
    they just showed the cameras on the local news, no work if any info on the cameras, but residents thinking it might just tape over continuously--for heaven's sake, it should have been investigated the night the 911 tape happened

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    Daytona Beach Added to Timeline

    Kids, it's my first post here. I hope I don't create any issues. I just took the timeline someone else posted and added in a few things I had on a timeline for the Daytona Beach killings. I believe they've been discussed in the past.

    Before I paste the timeline, here is what I have to add. The Daytona Beach killings all fall within a period that does not conflict with any of the disappearances in New York or New Jersey. Three of the Daytona Beach killings took place during the winter of 2005/2006. The fourth, which has been linked to the same person, took place during the winter of 2008. Both were around holidays, too.

    All of the New York/Jersey killings have taken place during the spring and summer months.

    If we operate on the theory that all three (New York, Jersey and Daytona Beach) are the same person, we can establish a few other theories.

    1. This person is a seasonal traveler and prefers coastal communities that are also tourist destinations. This person keeps a low profile.

    The person must be working or vacationing in these areas. It could be someone traveling by boat. It could be a fisherman who works different areas during different times of the year.

    Now, the Daytona Beach person used a gun. That didn't happen in the other cases. This might not rule out a connection. Instead, it might indicate that the person decided to switch methods. Perhaps the person was arrested and had to surrender the weapon. Or maybe the person threw out the weapon for fear of being caught.

    Has anyone checked out touristy cities along the East Coast? It might fill a few of the blanks on this timeline.


    08/06/05 Shelly Hart, 24. Hart was last seen on August 6, 2005 in the vicinity of 75 Malcolm X Boulevard in Brooklyn, New York City, New York in the confines of the 79th Precinct.

    6 September 2005, Migdalia Garson Diaz, 28, missing from New Haven, no other info

    6 October 2005, Lisa Calvo, 40, missing from New Haven

    December 26, 2005
    Daytona Beach police find Laquetta Gunther, a white 45-year-old woman, in an alley on Beach Street. She was a prostitute. Gunther had been shot in the head. The body was not concealed.

    January 14, 2005
    Police find the body of Julie Green, a white 34-year-old woman, in a ditch off a dirt road at a construction site off LPGA Boulevard in Daytona Beach, FL. She was shot in the head. The body was not concealed.

    February 24, 2006
    Police find the body of Iwana Patton, 35, on a dirt road off Williamson Boulevard in Daytona Beach, FL. The body was found following a “mysterious call”. The caller described the location of the body. The caller was eventually eliminated as a suspect.


    6 April 2006, Jessica Morales, missing from Dorchester, MA. Described as a high-risk runaway, very petite.

    15 July 2006, Shirley Moon Atwood, 35, missing from Pittsfield/Canaan, Maine.http://www.nampn.org/cases/atwood_shirley.html Looks very much like the four identified women.

    07/30/06...NY...Michelle Lyn Hutchings, age 27http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._michelle.html May have been seen in the New Jersey area in 2007.

    09/10/06...NJ...Jessica L. Paolini, age 22 http://www.nampn.org/cases/paolini_jessica_l.html, known to frequent the same Camden area several other women have disappeared from.

    09/18/06...NY...Jessica Isabel Rodriguez, age 27http://www.nampn.org/cases/rodriguez...ca_isabel.html

    November 20, 2006
    Police found the body of Kim Raffo, 35, just before Thanksgiving. She was left in a drainage ditch behind a motel in Atlantic City. Hours later, police also found the bodies of Molly Jean Dilts, 20, Barbara Breidor, 42, and Tracy Ann Roberts, 23. They had been there for several weeks. Two had been strangled.


    14 June 2007, Thursday -- Krissy Pruitt, last seen in New Haven.

    27 June 2007, Olivia Arrington, last seen in Manhattan in the vicinity of West 87th Street and Central Park West. http://www.nampn.org/cases/arrington_olivia.html

    *Maureen Barnes.....last seen Monday, 7-9-07

    This is the Monday after the 4th of July, which was on a Wednesday that year. Lots of people (including us) took Wednesday through Sunday as a very long holiday weekend.

    Brittany Peart, 7/25/08 but probably seen after this date heading north.http://www.nampn.org/cases/peart_brittany.html

    21 August 2007, Tuesday -- Elizabeth Barrett, 43, boarded a bus in Springfield Ma. on her way home to Greensboro NC. She was seen getting off the bus at NYC Port Athority for her tranfer bus and was never seen again. Her luggage arrived at the Greensboro Greyhound bus station 1 day after she was due to arrive. According to Greyhound her luggage was forwarded from NYC.http://www.nampn.org/cases/barrett_elizabeth.html

    January 2, 2008
    Police find the body of Stacey Gage, 30, in a wooded area near an abandoned church on Hancock Boulevard in Daytona Beach, FL. She had been missing almost a month. Gage was not a known prostitute, but she did have drug problems. Gage was last seen alive on Dec. 10, 2007.


    Judy Rivers, Fairfield CT area, Saturday August 30, 2008. She is believed to be a runaway. Per the Norwalk Police Department, Judy is a ward of the State of New York who was placed in Connecticut. She left with a boyfriend and has not been seen or heard from since.

    Maria Claros, Hartford, Hartford, Friday July 03, 2009, MARIA'S LAST C0NTACT WAS BY CELL PH0NE WHEN SHE T0LD M0THER SHE WAS IN NEW YORK.

    *Melissa Barthelemy.....Last seen, Sunday, 7-12-09

    Fourth of July was the weekend before, with many people getting the holiday on July 6. So this might have been the first available weekend.

    Leslie Colon, New Haven, Monday July 13, 2009, very little data

    Shannon Gilbert.......last seen, Saturday, May 1, 2010

    This is quite early in the year relative to the others, and on a different day. The circumstances don't seem to necessarily fit, either.

    Angelica Cruz, New Haven, Saturday September 04, 2009 - Angelica may be traveling in the company of an adult male. She may travel out of state.

    *Megan Waterman.......last seen, Sunday, 6-6-10

    An ordinary weekend.

    Elena Jazmir Lozada, Missing, Tuesday, 7-6-10

    This is the Tuesday after the 4th of July weekend, which was a three-day weekend with Monday the holiday. https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/8308/0/

    *Amber Costello......last seen, Tuesday, 9-7-10

    This is the day after Labor Day, which was rather late last year.

    not missing but perhaps connected:
    Therssa Wilson, 30, last seen around 25 November 2010, found on the banks of the Thames River near Windsor Ontario in mid-March 2011. According to police, Wilson, who also went by the names Therssa Jamieson, Therssa Fleming, Ava or Mindy, lived a "high-risk lifestyle."

    Kera Freeland, 20, last seen around January 16, 2011, in Toronto; found mid-March 2011 in a ditch near Caledon. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...-sense-of-fear One of her working names was Meghan Parks (http://www.windsorstar.com/life/Esco...536/story.html) And a similar look, according to video here (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20...ml?cid=rssnews)

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    Quote Originally Posted by trigger View Post
    FYI the bird sanctuary where they found the skull has alot of trails back there and where people hangout. Right next to that is Tobay Beach where there is a restaurant called Singletons Seaford Shack. The Tobay Beach parking lot on the westside has access to these trails where cars drive through back there. No one is allowed back there but people go back there anyway.
    Would you be able to make a map with the locations of the new remains discoveries? My computer and map making don't get along.

    And has anyone figured out which location the toddler was at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanler View Post
    Hi, NurseBeeMe, if you mean dismissed as a suspect, there's my hand. I think that johns are loathsome, but I think that everything so far points to an unknown man in a car who saw an attractive, very intoxicated young woman who seemed disoriented and took advantage of her.
    If that's true, explain the four other women who all met their demise after meeting up with a john from craigslist....I think its weird that he lives so close to where the bodies were found and he gets women from craigslist...this is NOT a very populated area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandi View Post
    Maybe because it is still an evolving case and they are still dotting the i's.


    I also think there is a commonality between the victims in LI and AC we have not been told about.

    We have learned 2 of the victims were asphyxiated. A Dr on NG just pointed out that is not strangulation, and that for asphyxiation there would have to be some soft tissue to make that finding. This Dr suggested like placing a bag over the head of the victim.

    I wonder if it could be something like a bag that ties LI to AC? Were the AC killings particularly brutal or did they show signs of torture?

    This isn't what I've read.

    Here for example:




    Perform an autopsy to check for internal signs of asphyxiation. Swollen lungs indicate death from a lack of oxygen. If the hyoid bone in the neck is broken then the cause of death is asphyxiation caused by manual strangulation.

    Read more: How to Determine Asphyxiation as Cause of Death | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_2099518_dete...#ixzz1JGcGnuz3



    NG and her experts.

    Homicidal asphyxiation can be smothered or strangulation.

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