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    also from that sketch ...I cannot get over the eyes...the eyes really freak me out...who ...other than Dr. Hackett , has eyes like that??????

    if this Dr. is innocent..then I apologize in advance...but it's hard to dismiss.

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    The sk may really have enjoyed "the chase" when SG ran. Just thinking about that case in Alaska, where the guy flew prostitutes to a remote area and hunted them down for his amusement.

    Here it is: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/s...sen/index.html
    Last edited by concentric; 04-13-2011 at 11:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fashionella View Post
    Some SCPD insider forum, lots of info including why it took police so long to respond.

    http://www.theschwartzreport.com/vb/...ight=oak+beach
    So, is this saying it took so long due to cutbacks?

    I'm not putting anyone or any department down. I was just told by one of the lawyers that one of the counties here (thank goodness I live in the city) has now put all of their officers, detectives, anyone mobile, on the highway to do nothing but write tickets to get some money in the budget. Yes, that is what they are doing, and, there is plenty of crime there, including violent crime! (I am not in NY or anywhere near LI.)

    Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21merc7 View Post
    So, is this saying it took so long due to cutbacks?

    I'm not putting anyone or any department down. I was just told by one of the lawyers that one of the counties here (thank goodness I live in the city) has now put all of their officers, detectives, anyone mobile, on the highway to do nothing but write tickets to get some money in the budget. Yes, that is what they are doing, and, there is plenty of crime there, including violent crime! (I am not in NY or anywhere near LI.)
    On these forums, there is always a lot of complaining about budget and cutbacks...take it with a grain of salt..fact remains it's an out of the way location with little police coverage. Another thread blames the dispatcher.

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    Police: Some Long Island Serial Killer Victims May Have Been Dismembered

    http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/...en-dismembered

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    Maybe I'm wrong, but I would bet my bottom dollar our SK does not dismember. Doesn't have the stomach for it. I think he's a man who wants to hold on to his safe, upper crust life, but can't fight the compulsion to murder for sexual gratification (can't help but think of JB's words here, "I've had a good life..."). Whoever our SK is, I absolutely can NOT see him keeping bodies, dismembering bodies, or dirtying his hands any more than he has to. He enjoys the actual killing, the moments between life and death, but once he has a dead body on his hands, I see him overwhelmed by guilt, shame, and fear (can't help but think of our meek Dr. here). He needs to dump these bodies almost immediately and distance himself from his deed...I'd bet my farm on that.

    But if I'm right, why do we have bodies that show dismemberment? I don't believe these bodies are the work of our guy. I just don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I would bet my bottom dollar our SK does not dismember. Doesn't have the stomach for it. I think he's a man who wants to hold on to his safe, upper crust life, but can't fight the compulsion to murder for sexual gratification (can't help but think of JB's words here, "I've had a good life..."). Whoever our SK is, I absolutely can NOT see him keeping bodies, dismembering bodies, or dirtying his hands any more than he has to. He enjoys the actual killing, the moments between life and death, but once he has a dead body on his hands, I see him overwhelmed by guilt, shame, and fear (can't help but think of our meek Dr. here). He needs to dump these bodies almost immediately and distance himself from his deed...I'd bet my farm on that.

    But if I'm right, why do we have bodies that show dismemberment? I don't believe these bodies are the work of our guy. I just don't.

    JMO
    you know , the dismemberment thing feels off brand.

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    If it is one SK and SG was killed by him, he now knows about the dental jawbone work. May have returned to start removing things that could be identifiable? (And could continue this act from here on out.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21merc7 View Post
    So, is this saying it took so long due to cutbacks?

    I'm not putting anyone or any department down. I was just told by one of the lawyers that one of the counties here (thank goodness I live in the city) has now put all of their officers, detectives, anyone mobile, on the highway to do nothing but write tickets to get some money in the budget. Yes, that is what they are doing, and, there is plenty of crime there, including violent crime! (I am not in NY or anywhere near LI.)
    A little off topic but in regards to police and cities and towns. How many police to total population in their sector? I'm not naive into thinking that I'm special and at any given time the police will be here in 5 minutes of a call I place. They could be busy on other calls, not enough police to respond so they will prioritize in this case. I've heard a police jokingly state but I think there is truth to it and that is. When a county has electric go out for whatever reason ie. storm...why do you think they restore power to the bad sectors first? Yes, CRIME. The last ones to get their power restored are generally the low crime areas. I don't know it was said as a joke but it made plausible sense to me also.

    I don't fault police because they have to work with a budget, sorry to say politics is involved in that. This is why "I" live to always be self sufficient in case of an emergency. I cannot rely on police, fire, ambulance in the time of crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I would bet my bottom dollar our SK does not dismember. Doesn't have the stomach for it. I think he's a man who wants to hold on to his safe, upper crust life, but can't fight the compulsion to murder for sexual gratification (can't help but think of JB's words here, "I've had a good life..."). Whoever our SK is, I absolutely can NOT see him keeping bodies, dismembering bodies, or dirtying his hands any more than he has to. He enjoys the actual killing, the moments between life and death, but once he has a dead body on his hands, I see him overwhelmed by guilt, shame, and fear (can't help but think of our meek Dr. here). He needs to dump these bodies almost immediately and distance himself from his deed...I'd bet my farm on that.

    But if I'm right, why do we have bodies that show dismemberment? I don't believe these bodies are the work of our guy. I just don't.

    JMO
    That is why I proposed that if there is indeed "a drifter" he may have been allowed in on the fun, i.e. drugs and sex, and later forced to dispose of the bodies. Just some thinking.


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    Lera; That area only has about 40,000 residents. Small in comparison to the city. I completely understand what you are saying above and agree. ^^^

    I was curious b/c anyone that lives or has lived in that area would be aware of these facts. Well, even a passer through could probably figure it out given a day or two of walking around. So, crime and dump sites here would click within a short time span for an observant or local person.

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    Filly's post from last thread:

    If this is true and this Doctor was indeed the person that made that phone call I am calling BS big time.

    First off what did he do? Talked a drug addicted prostitute while she was on a call to getting clean? That's mighty fine of him.

    Ethically and morally he would not allow this woman to stay in his home if he did indeed say that. He'd take her for help. Again, what you figured you'd help her out after she turned tricks?

    O.K. personally I have seen addicts run for their lives who didn't want to get clean. Who were not ready. Yeah they scream. However the last thing they would do weather prostituting or not would be to call the flippin cops.

    God forgive me if some "Doctor" was really such a good Samaritan he was going to help someone, BUT where's the guy work out of his house? He's licensed to care for addicts?

    I'd asked this before and it's relevant I think. Was SG a heroin addict or a crack addict or both. My sincere apologies for even having to write those words about some poor woman that is missing.
    One of the things PH has likely done in his former job as police surgeon is deal with other drug users who are paranoid, frantic, or otherwise freaking out when they're arrested or brought in for questioning. It's one of the main things police surgeons do. So he probably was qualified to deal with her if that's what was happening.

    Shannon's missing poster from the New Jersey police said, ""Ms. Gilbert is bipolar and is known to use cocaine and marijuana as well as prescription drugs,'' the report adds." From ProjectJason. http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=10497.0
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Live NEWS 12 reporter just showed divers still in the water and the PC is coming later today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by minazoe View Post
    you know , the dismemberment thing feels off brand.
    There are only 2 reasons a killer dismembers, imo. Either to make a body unidentifiable, or because he views the body as a plaything for his sick fantasies. Our SK seems to have picked victims with no obvious connection to him, so I see no reason for him to step out of his safe zone and dismember to conceal identities. Don't think he views the bodies post-mortem as playthings either. While the victims are alive, certainly, but not after they are dead. After his victims are dead, they are no longer useful to him, in fact, they threaten his safe world...so they are simply discarded like the useless object he views them as.

    JMO
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    I know it's a repeat for some, but, FWIW, here is an older article from December 2010, with SG's boyfriend and her driver. There is so much confusion on this issue, I thought this might help:

    Boyfriend and the driver of Shannon Maria Gilbert recount hours just before Jersey City woman went missing


    The New York driver, who requested his name not be used, said he dropped off Gilbert to the home of a client in Oak Beach at about 2 a.m. on May 1. Gilbert's price: $250 an hour, the driver said.

    He said he spent three hours in his SUV outside the gated community, playing poker over the Internet and sleeping, when Gilbert's client phoned him at about 5 a.m., saying Gilbert was refusing to leave the house.

    The driver said he drove back to the client's house and found Gilbert, who was clothed, in the living room on the phone with a 911 operator, saying that a man was after her.

    "I said 'Shannon, Get a grip. Let's go,' and she said, 'You guys are trying to kill me.' So I said, 'OK, I am leaving.' But then she said, 'Don't go.'"

    Gilbert eventually ran from the house, the driver said. The driver said he ran after Gilbert, who is bipolar and has a history of cocaine abuse, but then lost track.

    He said drove around the gated community and outside the complex -- texting and calling her furiously on his cell phone -- before leaving the area 6 a.m. and believing that Gilbert would somehow make her way back to Jersey City.

    Suffolk police today refused to release the audio or transcripts of the 911 call and provide any information about their response to the call.

    http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2...ver_of_sh.html

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