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    Quote Originally Posted by dcgrumpy View Post
    I would say the difference is because you picked a town that has no commercial listings as opposed to Flushing which has thousands. I just tried it with my town which is pretty small an not many businesses and I get the same type of listing like the Oak Beach-Gilgo Beach listings

    try another small town on LI and you'll get the same thing
    Thanks, I'm City I don't think small town but that seems to be it. I knew it would either be something simple or I found the hidden Key, HA HA HA, My best Boris Karloff impersonation.

    Should I take it down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIGHTEOUS1 View Post
    Thanks, I'm City I don't think small town but that seems to be it. I knew it would either be something simple or I found the hidden Key, HA HA HA, My best Boris Karloff impersonation.

    Should I take it down?
    I think it is OK to leave it... it is sort of interesting really. I tried it and found large towns have a lot of links to a movie that is out, and small towns have a lot of links to sex sites. Go figure - nothing better to do in a small town?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    This is what I'm speaking about. The first 20 feet of water is under 2 feet deep. The current runs along the beach. As you can see there are outcoves that block the current too.
    Nice Images are they 100 meters?
    I have seen 2 meter you can almost read stuff. Imagine what the gov can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    In a few minutes I'm going to provide a link to some aerial photos of Oak Beach as well as the areas where Newsday states the bodies were found. When you look at the photos of OB, you will see that the homes that have docks have very long piers. The reason why is that the water on that beach is incredibly SHALLOW. When the weather is nicer, I'm going to bring my camcorder down to the water on that stretch of beach and I'm going to toss a piece of driftwood in the water at the height of the tide and you will see what I'm talking about. Not saying that it's impossible to drown, just saying that if she did, her body would not have been swept away for nobody ever to find.
    I know a person can drown just about anywhere, in a puddle. I do not think anyone in the past 50 years has been swept out , I think sooner or latter someone would spot you, to many people around, small boats, big boats. May is Long Daylight days.

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    I will research and form my own opinion. He might be insane,I dont now him. he could eat 12 xanax a day and smoke weed right after.

    PLUS had she went into the water ,the dogs would have picked up her scent. LE was out that night looking for her or morning rather.
    if you live there you know the water outside your door...even if you take xanax and smoke weed....especially if you are retired there..but of course do you own researching...at our dock the water was well over my head at the end...but what do i know...i think time will tell whether we are uselessly speculating or not...

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    CNN just announced they are having an hour-long special about the murders tonight at 7:00 eastern, 6:00 central.

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    I haven't checked the thread in a couple of days...

    Any new big updates in the past 36 hours or so? I'm scrolling through the threads, but I'm not seeing any major updates. Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by artlover View Post
    if you live there you know the water outside your door...even if you take xanax and smoke weed....especially if you are retired there..but of course do you own researching...at our dock the water was well over my head at the end...but what do i know...i think time will tell whether we are uselessly speculating or not...

    I'm sure like a large body of water it has shallow and deep. Which change with the Weather, tides, currents. I was in a lake it went from 3/4 feet to a big drop. The Boats need a Certain amount to move in. I guess the heavier the Boat the more water it needs to dock, I am no H2O specialist at all. I know my rubber duck floats, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    Here is a link to photos I just uploaded. They were taken from a plane (NOT GOOGLE EARTH) using a high-def camera back in 2006. I included photos of Oak Beach near JB's house, the infamous GATE, as well as photos of the areas where Newsday's map claims the police found the bodies. If you open up these photos on a good photo viewing software you can zoom in right down to the bushes.

    http://s641.photobucket.com/albums/u...%20high%20def/
    Seaslug44 -- thanks so much for those photos. They are striking not only for the beauty of the area but for the birds-eye view of the land and water surrounding the area under discussion.

    I grew up on the South Shore of Long Island and spent many summers at Jones Beach, Lido and Gilgo Beaches, and Robert Moses State Park. I am no scientist or expert on currents, but I do not believe that the body of any one who drowns on the Atlantic side would drift into the vast ocean and never be found. Highly Unlikely. Just walk those beaches daily and especially after a storm to see what washes up there.

    Those bodies were put where they were because the SK knew that it would be a while before they were found. Few people (if any) walk on Ocean Parkway. There are some cyclists, motorcyclists and the rest trucks or automobiles. And the ocean smell (seaweed, salt water, etc.) would certainly help to cover up the smell of decay.

    Thanks again for the photos and your insights.

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    Hi guys, have missed the last day or so, hate it when your job gets in the way doing the real work. Anyway, it terms of SG and the driver scenario, the key is to find out whether or not SG was with the escort agency on the night she went missing. I know there are reports that her sister said SG worked for two agencies in the past but I don't think it was confirmed whether she was that night or night. And the reports of Lace Party Girls now being defunct are true, however, I can guarantee you they opened another agency with a different name. These people don't get busted and then say to themselves "oh well, I guess we have to get regualr jobs now." Anyway, in terms of SG using a legitimate car service - it simply wouldn't happen. Aside from having a driver, girls always use the driver as security/payment handler/mediator of sorts. No chance she would've taken a regular car service. The question is whether or not the person she was first busted with is the same guy that drove her that night, or was it another person, possibly from the agency. And the fact the driver left her, if true, suggests he and SG had a long working relationship, and they were comfortable with each other and the driver knew SG would eventually make it back. He wouldn't have been worried about being paid during the night.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NJGuy View Post
    Hi guys, have missed the last day or so, hate it when your job gets in the way doing the real work. Anyway, it terms of SG and the driver scenario, the key is to find out whether or not SG was with the escort agency on the night she went missing. I know there are reports that her sister said SG worked for two agencies in the past but I don't think it was confirmed whether she was that night or night. And the reports of Lace Party Girls now being defunct are true, however, I can guarantee you they opened another agency with a different name. These people don't get busted and then say to themselves "oh well, I guess we have to get regualr jobs now." Anyway, in terms of SG using a legitimate car service - it simply wouldn't happen. Aside from having a driver, girls always use the driver as security/payment handler/mediator of sorts. No chance she would've taken a regular car service. The question is whether or not the person she was first busted with is the same guy that drove her that night, or was it another person, possibly from the agency. And the fact the driver left her, if true, suggests he and SG had a long working relationship, and they were comfortable with each other and the driver knew SG would eventually make it back. He wouldn't have been worried about being paid during the night.
    For me it is simple of course that doesn't make it a fact. To many common senses things. If it was an agency we would have heard, Agency would have some info on the john. Why didn't the John call the Agency. That was a no brainier no agency. A regular Driver isn't going sit and wait unless he is 100 percent sure he's getting paid. Plus it explains why LE would Clear him, he is going say I know her, there going to run him and see he was arrested with her, he's a witness not a Killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    You make some interesting points, but I'm not sure I'm seeing the connection. I've read the chatter about the robbery scam, but don't recall having read anything about another girl connected to ALC having gone missing. Can you shoot me a link to that? TIA
    Sorry for being so cryptic. On the review board, the johns were discussing "sisters" and a robbery scam which involved two women (one who used the same call girl nym of ALC) and a man. A search of the posted phone number, in conjunction with the word "sisters" leads to an ad that has a pic of the two women. One of the women was indeed ALC. Further down the thread, a john, who posted on Jan 16th of this year, mentioned he and another john were approached by SCPD two days earlier regarding a missing woman and the name he mentions is neither of the nyms the girls used. Nor is the name any of the vics missing or found so far. That is, none of the 4 women or SG. Now, this john may (or not) have been referring to the woman in the pic with ALC. However, since he chose that thread (which, btw, had been a dead thread for over 6 months), I do think he was referring to the other woman in the pic. Otherwise, why not post in the LI SK thread?

    As for the sex ring angle? Yup, it's a stretch. And I haven't completely fleshed out the idea yet. The basic gist from what I've been able to find so far is that these girls were charging $200 and upwards, yet they seemed to be living in squalor... indicating they were at the bottom of a food chain. The two numbers listed for ALC, one in NYC and the other on the island, further supports this, and suggests that food chain was a "business" so to speak. Or otherwise put, a sex ring. Though, it could be a small operation similar to the CL ring they busted a couple of years ago. ( link )

    As far as the murder bit goes? Not sure there's actually a connection. Have just been trying to suss out the victimology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    Sorry for being so cryptic. On the review board, the john's were discussing "sisters" and a robbery scam which involved two women (one who used the same call girl nym of ALC) and a man. A search of the posted phone number, in conjunction with the word "sisters" leads to an ad that has a pic of the two women. One of the women was indeed ALC. Further down the thread, a john, who posted on Jan 16th of this year, mentioned he and another john were approached by SCPD two days earlier regarding a missing woman and the name he mentions is neither of the nyms the girls used. Nor is the name any of the vics missing or found so far. That is, none of the 4 women or SG. Now, this john may (or not) have been referring to the woman in the pic with ALC. However, since he chose that thread (which, btw, had been a dead thread for over 6 months), I do think he was referring to the other woman in the pic. Otherwise, why not post in the LI SK thread?

    As for the sex ring angle? Yup, it's a stretch. And I haven't completely fleshed out the idea yet. The basic gist from what I've been able to find so far is that these girls were charging $200 and upwards, yet they seemed to be living in squalor. So, they were def at the bottom of a food chain. The two numbers listed for ALC, one in NYC and the other on the island, suggests that food chain was a "business" so to speak. Or otherwise put, a sex ring. Though, it could be a small operation similar to the CL ring they busted a couple of years ago. ( link )

    As far as the murder bit goes? Not sure there's actually a connection. Have just been trying to suss out the victimology.
    Maybe ALC used more than one alias

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    I would think it would make sense to use more than one name if she was robbing johns

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcgrumpy View Post
    Maybe ALC used more than one alias

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    I would think it would make sense to use more than one name if she was robbing johns
    Agreed. However, he states they were inquiring about a missing girl as opposed to a murdered girl. Otoh, LE could have just used the term "missing" to try not to alert the johns they were investigating the LI murders.



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    To respectfully refute one point you made....SG did work for more than once agency at various times. It was confirmed by her sister. Although I agree that LE has certainly investigated all points of JB an that night and whatever the found or didn't find, they are confident he wasn't involved in her disappearance. And the driver has nothing to do with her disappearance as I'm sure LE confirmed as well

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