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    Lloyds, Jane Doe won't sue police over Russell Williams case
    Updated: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:29 PM EDT
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    Massicotte is now suing Williams and his wife, Mary-Elizabeth Harriman, as well as the Ontario Provincial Police for $7 million.

    Massicotte's Belleville lawyer, David Ross, said Thursday he couldn't comment on the case.

    “I should get instructions from my client before I do,” he said.

    “The statement of claim's been filed; it hasn't been served.”
    But Jessica Lloyd's brother Andy, 31, said Thursday his family has retained legal counsel and may sue Williams, but not police. He noted his family's legal interests are separate from Massicotte's case.

    “We're looking at some sort of legal action … It would be strictly just against him (Williams),” said Lloyd. “We as of now have no intention of doing anything against law enforcement.

    “We still think they did a great job,” he said.

    “Since then, I've become great friends with some of the guys on the (Belleville Police) force,” said Lloyd.

    “I was glad to hear some of those OPP guys got commendations” for their work on the case, he added.

    The Lloyd family has retained Belleville lawyer Mike Pretsell, but neither he nor Andy Lloyd would discuss potential lawsuits in detail.

    “At this time there's been no claim on behalf of the Lloyds and I can't comment further,” Pretsell said.

    Pretsell also represents Jane Doe, the first of Williams' victims to sue the killer.
    BELLEVILLE — The first woman attacked by Russell Williams and the families of two women he killed have no plans to sue police, QMI Agency has learned.

    “There's not going to be a lawsuit by Jane Doe against the police,” Pretsell said Thursday, declining to elaborate on her decision and saying he was abiding by Doe's wishes.

    Doe, now 22, was attacked Sept. 17, 2009 in her Tweed-area home by Williams.

    She is suing Williams and Harriman for $2.45 million in damages. That suit was filed May 6 at Belleville's Ontario Superior Court of Justice.

    Doe's allegations have not been proven in court. Harriman has refuted them through a statement of defence; Williams has retained a lawyer, but has not filed such a statement.

    Pretsell said he's also spoken with Marie-France Comeau's father, Ernie, who is not taking civil action.

    “There are no proceedings contemplated by Mr. Comeau,” said Pretsell.
    (took the liberty of respectfully separating the three lawsuits in different quotes for easy reading -- read more at link ^)
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    Interview with Andy Lloyd here.

    CBC Connects with Mark Kelley

    http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/TV_Sh.../ID=2158052157


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    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10...l-murder-case/
    National Post Staff Oct 24, 2011 – 7:41 PM ET


    By Joseph Brean

    Jim Smyth, the star Ontario Provincial Police interrogator who famously pried a confession from sex killer Russell Williams, has a reputation that demands a screenplay. As a top Canadian practitioner of the modern art of police interrogation, it is his job to bring forensic psychology to life, using conviviality and guile to convince murderers to skip trial and go straight to jail.



    Major successes include his work on the interrogation of Michael Briere, who confessed to killing 10-year-old Holly Jones in Toronto in 2003, and his profiling in the case of Tori Stafford, 9, which led him to discover the girl’s remains by following a hunch to a rural field.



    But now Detective-Sergeant Smyth’s sly charm and relentless pursuit of confessions have derailed a major prosecution, leading a judge to rule a suspected murderer’s admission of guilt was involuntary and possibly false, and therefore inadmissible....


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    Quote Originally Posted by dotr View Post
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10...l-murder-case/
    National Post Staff Oct 24, 2011 – 7:41 PM ET


    By Joseph Brean

    Jim Smyth, the star Ontario Provincial Police interrogator who famously pried a confession from sex killer Russell Williams, has a reputation that demands a screenplay. As a top Canadian practitioner of the modern art of police interrogation, it is his job to bring forensic psychology to life, using conviviality and guile to convince murderers to skip trial and go straight to jail.



    Major successes include his work on the interrogation of Michael Briere, who confessed to killing 10-year-old Holly Jones in Toronto in 2003, and his profiling in the case of Tori Stafford, 9, which led him to discover the girl’s remains by following a hunch to a rural field.



    But now Detective-Sergeant Smyth’s sly charm and relentless pursuit of confessions have derailed a major prosecution, leading a judge to rule a suspected murderer’s admission of guilt was involuntary and possibly false, and therefore inadmissible....
    Thanks, Dotr, for posting that. Worth the read.

    I am going to refrain from commenting.


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    Yes. I only now got back to reading the whole of that article after having it pop up in a Google alert on Williams. While Smyth's interrogation of Williams can't really be faulted because of the former colonel's high intelligence and education, such methods could be devastating on suspects of low mental capacity and produce any confession the police desired. In the civilized world torture during interrogation is not permitted, but this can amount to mental torture of a weak suspect. Personally, I feel it's deplorable that police interrogators are allowed to lie to elicit the result they seek.


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    OPP Det. Sgt. Jim Smyth has been praised for praised for getting a confession from RW, the judge in the case in this link found flaws....

    http://swo.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/C...6/?hub=SWOHome

    The judge in the case ruled Armishaw's rights were violated and a confession made to police was involuntary and should be excluded.
    OPP Det. Sgt. Jim Smyth, who obtained the confession from Armishaw


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    Has anyone read the Camouflaged Killer by David Gibb?


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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    Has anyone read the Camouflaged Killer by David Gibb?
    I haven't read it. Is it worth the purchase? I have read A New Kind of Monster by Timothy Appleby.


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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    Regarding the assets of MEH, we have a situation where a member of her family has committed horrible crimes. His victims want compensation, and she is included in their lawsuit. If this lawsuit is successful, it could set a very dangerous precedent such that families of adult criminals are placed in financial ruin because of the crimes committed by family members.
    When it is a spouse and they transfer assets from joint holdings to just the non guilty spouse they deserve to be sued IMO.IIRC It was done sneaky IMO.She is luckier then some,she has a good job and makes good money. There are no children being raised,even if she loses his half of HIS assets really no different then a divorcing couple who's spouse is not jailed IMO.
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    Arrow just in!

    NEWS!!!

    Russell Williams's neighbour sues after suspected in crimes

    CBC News - Last Updated: Nov 28, 2011 7:28 AM ET

    A man who lived next door to Russell Williams in eastern Ontario is suing the serial sex killer, a neighbour and local police for wrongfully implicating him in the former military commander's crimes.

    Larry Jones and his wife, Bonnie, filed their $1,575,000 suit late Friday in Peterborough, Ont.

    Jones is suing Williams for the emotional and mental distress suffered as the subject of an intense police investigation, while Williams did nothing to alert police that they had the wrong man.
    Full article and VIDEO @ link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...rry-jones.html
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    Yeah, I saw that on the news. From all reports, it looked like Williams was treated very respectfully by the police, while Jones was manhandled and pushed around and not told anything. It does look like there are different standards for the "rich" and the "poor".


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    Quote Originally Posted by JayFriend View Post
    Yeah, I saw that on the news. From all reports, it looked like Williams was treated very respectfully by the police, while Jones was manhandled and pushed around and not told anything. It does look like there are different standards for the "rich" and the "poor".
    Wish Mr. Jones all the best!!! He deserves it after all he was put through!

    We still don't know whatever happened to his old coat, greasy lighter and some other item that went missing from his garage.

    We don't know for sure if it was RW who took those items, but IF it was him, we can all just imagine what the intention could have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazel View Post
    We still don't know whatever happened to his old coat, greasy lighter and some other item that went missing from his garage.

    We don't know for sure if it was RW who took those items, but IF it was him, we can all just imagine what the intention could have been.
    If RW had them then they're likely in a police evidence locker but weren't needed because he confessed. Perhaps Mr. Jones should ask for them.


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    Serial killer Williams' divorce proceedings should be public: lawyer


    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...704/story.html


    What do you think of the title of this article by the Montreal Gazette being serial killer?


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    "Serial killer Williams' divorce proceedings should be public: lawyer"

    Well, it would be juicy, but hasn't the wife had about as much media exposure by now? Of course, there are those who suggest she's somehow implicated in his crimes. If that's the case, then I feel no sympathy for her welcome all the dirty linen coming out.


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