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    Child Victim

    The remains of a child were one of the four sets of remains recently recovered by investigators, according to a report form the New York Post.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...75-504083.html


    A law enforcement source told media that the remains are not that of a grown woman, but instead belong to a child or a baby. “One doesn’t match the others. It’s a young person, possibly as young as an infant, or a child,” the source told the New York Post. “If that’s the case, then that wouldn’t fit the pattern.”

    http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nat...-other-victims

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    Long Island Serial Killer's Child Victim

    Former FBI special agent Brad Garrett on the links between the bodies.
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    http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...tims-1.2865686

    An eighth body was that of a girl, 18 to 24 months old, and wrapped in a blanket, who may not be a homicide victim and "very possibly" was hidden at the beach to conceal her death, Suffolk District Attorney Thomas Spota said at a news conference in Hauppauge.

    "It is clear that the area in and around Gilgo Beach has been used to discard human remains for some period of time," Spota said.

    "As distasteful and disturbing as that is, there is no evidence that all of these remains are the work of a single killer."

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    In the past when the body of a child has been found that was not identified... they have released information.

    Asked people to help them identify the child.

    Released the age, gender, race and any other identifying features.

    Grandparents, aunts, neighbors... have you noticed a child that has disappeared?

    Made a sketch and released it. Even gone so far as to make a replica of what the child would look like alive.

    Why are they not doing that here?


    Do they already know the identity of the "unidentified" child?

    Is that not their focus since she isn't the victim of a serial killer?

    Why are we hearing nothing about the attempt to find out the identity of this baby?



    Precious Doe... (Erica Green) - Identified through a tip from a family member who saw an ad in a newspaper

    http://tammieoliver.com/precious_doe/bust1.jpg

    http://www.crimerant.com/wp-content/...ciouserica.jpg



    Baby Grace... (Riley Ann Sawyers) - Grandma recognized the sketch

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Lj5KP8OgZV...ce+-+Riley.jpg



    Wylie's Angel - (Gerren Joseph Isgrigg) - Tip to NCMEC identified him from the sketch and media coverage

    http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/i...c2914d0d/l.jpg

    http://gerren-isgrigg.gonetoosoon.org/



    Beloved Doe - (José Bernardo Martinez)- Father recognized the sketches on TV

    http://www.chron.com/photos/2007/12/.../226xRefer.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsFacetious View Post
    In the past when the body of a child has been found that was not identified... they have released information.

    Asked people to help them identify the child.

    Released the age, gender, race and any other identifying features.

    Grandparents, aunts, neighbors... have you noticed a child that has disappeared?

    Made a sketch and released it. Even gone so far as to make a replica of what the child would look like alive.

    Why are they not doing that here?


    Do they already know the identity of the "unidentified" child?

    Is that not their focus since she isn't the victim of a serial killer?

    Why are we hearing nothing about the attempt to find out the identity of this baby?



    Precious Doe... (Erica Green) - Identified through a tip from a family member who saw an ad in a newspaper

    http://tammieoliver.com/precious_doe/bust1.jpg

    http://www.crimerant.com/wp-content/...ciouserica.jpg



    Baby Grace... (Riley Ann Sawyers) - Grandma recognized the sketch

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Lj5KP8OgZV...ce+-+Riley.jpg



    Wylie's Angel - (Gerren Joseph Isgrigg) - Tip to NCMEC identified him from the sketch and media coverage

    http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/i...c2914d0d/l.jpg

    http://gerren-isgrigg.gonetoosoon.org/



    Beloved Doe - (José Bernardo Martinez)- Father recognized the sketches on TV

    http://www.chron.com/photos/2007/12/.../226xRefer.jpg
    Maybe le should read this and do the same as was done in these cases.

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    This is an article I haven't seen before. My apologies if it has already been posted. Has a few more details about the child.

    "A spokesman for the Suffolk County Police Department said that DNA tests had not yet been completed, and that if the tests did not lead to an identification, officials might seek the public’s help."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/ny...-fit.html?_r=1

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    I still find that absurd. They might seek the public's help.

    Why not seek it now???

    What DNA are they going to try and match it to?

    Riley Ann Sawyer, Erica Green, Camden Hughes...

    DNA would have made no difference. They had to ask for help to identify them because they weren't reported missing.

    I don't believe this girl matches any missing person's reports. So I don't understand, since they believe the baby is not connected to the others... what DNA they are going to match it with?

    I'm lost.

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    I cannot help but to wonder if this toddler might be Samantha Kibalo. ( link ) I realize that her father & LE appears to think she is still alive. And his atty has even posted to this site. ( link ) However, in light of the allegations against the mother ( link ) along with the fact that New Hyde Park is fairly close, it seems quite possible that the mother could have gone too far, resulting in the baby's death. Also, the wrapping in a blanket tends to be something a mother who did not intend to kill the child, would do. That, and since LE has not ruled this child's death a homicide, it sounds like they did not find signs indicating trauma. Which arguably points to accidental death and leaves the question, what would motivate someone to try to hide a tragic accident? Imho, someone who has a history of harming their child via munchausen syndrome by proxy would certainly fit this profile.
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    Concerning Samantha Kibalo.

    her mother Ann Kibalo (48 years old) has relatives at 4 town on Long Island, so it seems like a fair possibility that the child remains could be Samantha.

    Here are the 4 towns were Ann Kibalo has relatives:

    NEW HYDE PARK, NY
    PLAINVIEW, NY
    HUNTINGTON STATION, NY
    FRESH MEADOWS, NY

    Distances from the childs remains to thise 4 towns are ca 20-30 miles.


    Here are all the names Ann Kibalo is listed as:

    KIBALO, ANN P (Age 48)

    Associated names:

    KIBALD, ANN P
    SAUL, ANN P
    YERMAK, ANN P


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    Was the child buried? ICR where the baby was found (I know on the beach); but do we know anything else besides that he/she was wrapped in a blanket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman View Post
    ICR where the baby was found (I know on the beach)
    From this map ( link ), she was found approx 0.04 miles (64.37m) east of the unidentified Manorville victim, Jane Doe 6. Outside of stating that she was btwn 18 and 24 months old, was wrapped in a blanket and that they don't think her death was a homicide, they've not said much else.



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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    From this map ( link ), she was found approx 0.04 miles (64.37m) east of the unidentified Manorville victim, Jane Doe 6. Outside of stating that she was btwn 18 and 24 months old, was wrapped in a blanket and that they don't think her death was a homicide, they've not said much else.
    Thank you, I knew that; but was hoping that I had missed something! Dang, so all we know is that it was a baby girl wrapped in a blanket...
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    I know I saw or heard somewhere that they didn't believe that child had been there all that long, about the same time frame as the identified victims. Definitely not years. But I can't find it anywhere... so maybe they retracted that or it was misreported?

    Either way, it would be worth sending the information about Samantha to make sure they have it.

    See THIS is why they should release more information. If they said "the body has been there between 6 months and a year" then you could eliminate Samantha and not send the tip. But since they have given you nothing to use to eliminate her... I would feel I needed to send it.

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    Maybe they are comparing the DNA from the child to see if matches the mdna from one of the other unidentified female victims found there first. I do not know, but they are at least doing something, even if they wont share the specifics with us. I do not believe that the LE does not care for the child victim, but I am sure that there may be more in play going on right now then we know about.
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