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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    From this map ( link ), she was found approx 0.04 miles (64.37m) east of the unidentified Manorville victim, Jane Doe 6. Outside of stating that she was btwn 18 and 24 months old, was wrapped in a blanket and that they don't think her death was a homicide, they've not said much else.
    What would they be thinking caused her death then? Weird.

    Do they have a race listed for her?

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    The little child was not murdered? Then what was her body doing out there?

    I mean alright, maybe the child died of natural causes or in some sort of accident ... why not report it? Even if the family/parent(s) are low on cash the child could have at least had a decent burial done through the medical examiner's office! Why dump the body in the middle of nowhere off some state parkway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    I cannot help but to wonder if this toddler might be Samantha Kibalo. ( link ) I realize that her father & LE appears to think she is still alive. And his atty has even posted to this site. ( link ) That, and since LE has not ruled this child's death a homicide, it sounds like they did not find signs indicating trauma. Which arguably points to accidental death and leaves the question, what would motivate someone to try to hide a tragic accident? Imho, someone who has a history of harming their child via munchausen syndrome by proxy would certainly fit this profile.
    A lack of trauma to skeletal remains does not necessarily mean that the death was accidental. Just means that the manner of death is not indicated on skeletal remains. The child could have died at another's hands in any other number of ways, such as strangulation, poisoning, drowning, suffocation (see: Caylee Anthony - there was no indication of MOD found on her bones either.) We don't know which bones were found either - sometimes the hyoid bone will break from strangulation/suffocation but if it's only a skull that is found and it is intact you wouldn't be able to tell. So manner of death is probably "undetermined" or "unknown".
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
    What Happened to Maura Murray? http://www.mauramurraymissing.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theforeigner View Post
    Concerning Samantha Kibalo.

    her mother Ann Kibalo (48 years old) has relatives at 4 town on Long Island, so it seems like a fair possibility that the child remains could be Samantha.

    Here are the 4 towns were Ann Kibalo has relatives:

    NEW HYDE PARK, NY
    PLAINVIEW, NY
    HUNTINGTON STATION, NY
    FRESH MEADOWS, NY

    Distances from the childs remains to thise 4 towns are ca 20-30 miles.


    Here are all the names Ann Kibalo is listed as:

    KIBALO, ANN P (Age 48)

    Associated names:

    KIBALD, ANN P
    SAUL, ANN P
    YERMAK, ANN P
    Have you called in Samantha Kibalo to LE as a tip for the unidentified child?
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
    What Happened to Maura Murray? http://www.mauramurraymissing.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsFacetious View Post
    I know I saw or heard somewhere that they didn't believe that child had been there all that long, about the same time frame as the identified victims. Definitely not years. But I can't find it anywhere... so maybe they retracted that or it was misreported?

    Either way, it would be worth sending the information about Samantha to make sure they have it.

    See THIS is why they should release more information. If they said "the body has been there between 6 months and a year" then you could eliminate Samantha and not send the tip. But since they have given you nothing to use to eliminate her... I would feel I needed to send it.
    I agree. Why would you not release as much information about this child as possible ? While I don't belive this is related to the SK, that's no reason not to make every concievable effort in enlisting the public's help. Every life has equal worth.
    In many ways, the young & unborn deserve even more of an effort in so far as they are the most helpless & dependant to begin with.

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    Here is a new article on the case posted today.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/20/justic...html?hpt=ju_c2

    Please note the new information on the child - I have been following this case and had not read this anywhere before:

    In fact, DNA linked the toddler, who was between 16 months and 32 months of age, to another unidentified female victim whose remains were found seven miles away in April. Police said it was likely that the two were mother and child.
    From the article, I am not certain as to which victim the toddler was linked to. Does anyone here know? That adds a totally new dimension to the case. We should start looking at mother-child pairs who have gone missing now.
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
    What Happened to Maura Murray? http://www.mauramurraymissing.com

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    Additional information on jewelry found with the toddler, from the article above:

    Pictures of jewelry belonging to some of the victims were displayed at the news conference, with Dormer saying a rope necklace and hoop earrings likely belonged to the toddler, whose remains were found with bracelets that may have belonged to the person who authorities say was likely the toddler's mother. One of the bracelets was decorated with x's and o's with stones resembling diamonds. The other was a snake chain.
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
    What Happened to Maura Murray? http://www.mauramurraymissing.com

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    The mother is the unidentified woman in the sketch who has not otherwise been named, as far as I can tell. Several news reports have her confused with the victim they have named Jane Doe #6, who is not the mother of the child. Some one correct me if I am wrong about this.

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    Hi Redbird-

    I believe they are saying the new sketch is of the manorville woman, who remains were also found closest to the toddler, but they were determined to be unrelated. The woman who was related to the toddler was found in nassau, by jones beach, and no descriptive details have been released about her, except that she may have been wearing the two bracelets and the toddler is non-caucasian, which would likely make the relative non-caucasian as well...

    I went through the missing kids database today and put in the estimated dates of disappearance, and this was the closest i could come up with...unless it went unreported, i'm sure it would most likely be assumed to be a family abduction, as the mother (or other relative) is obviously missing also. this girl was a little under 3 when she went missing, her ears were pierced and she is believed to be abducted by her mother from bayonne, nj. total speculation at this point, but what is the likelihood that a mother and child could go missing and no one would report it???

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley123 View Post
    Hi Redbird-

    The woman who was related to the toddler was found in nassau, by jones beach, and no descriptive details have been released about her, except that she may have been wearing the two bracelets and the toddler is non-caucasian, which would likely make the relative non-caucasian as well...
    Do you have a source for this? I have not seen it written anywhere that the child was non-caucasian.

    Also, I just want to clarify what I think the connection is, someone please by all means correct me if I'm wrong. The toddler found is related by DNA to the remains found in April 2011 on Jones Beach. The remains found in April 2011 are the same person who's legs were found washed up on Fire Island in 1996. So, by extension, that would mean that if the toddler and related UID were killed at the same time (most likely), the toddler was also placed there PRIOR to 1996. So we should be looking at missing children before 1996.
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
    What Happened to Maura Murray? http://www.mauramurraymissing.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    The mother is the unidentified woman in the sketch who has not otherwise been named, as far as I can tell. Several news reports have her confused with the victim they have named Jane Doe #6, who is not the mother of the child. Some one correct me if I am wrong about this.
    I believe you are correct - the mother/relative of the toddler is NOT Jane Doe #6 but another Jane Doe who was found both in that location in April 2011, and other parts found on Fire Island in 1996.

    We're going to eventually need to draw up a chart for all these connections - this case is just blowing my mind right now.
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
    What Happened to Maura Murray? http://www.mauramurraymissing.com

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    Clairification. The relative/probable mother of the child was found near Jones Beach in Nassau Co on 4/11/11. She was found intact in a plastic bag 1.5 miles East of the Jones Beach tower. Jane Doe #6 was found about 200ft from the child but there is no indication that they are related. The woman whose two legs were found on the beach at Fire Island on April 20, 1996 had her skull found about a mile west of where the relative/probable mother was found. That woman's torso is still not accounted for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by future criminologist View Post
    Do you have a source for this? I have not seen it written anywhere that the child was non-caucasian.

    Also, I just want to clarify what I think the connection is, someone please by all means correct me if I'm wrong. The toddler found is related by DNA to the remains found in April 2011 on Jones Beach. The remains found in April 2011 are the same person who's legs were found washed up on Fire Island in 1996. So, by extension, that would mean that if the toddler and related UID were killed at the same time (most likely), the toddler was also placed there PRIOR to 1996. So we should be looking at missing children before 1996.
    Hi Future Criminologist.

    Dormer said it in his press conference. Here is the link to the newsday article where it states it:

    http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...tims-1.3185257

    "A female, non-Caucasian toddler thought to be 16 to 32 months old, who was also found April 4, is a blood relative of another woman found 7 miles away in Nassau County on April 11 near Jones Beach. "It is likely that these two individuals are mother and child," Dormer said."

    He also stated that he believes the two went missing between 1 and 5 years ago...

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    The Mother/Child victims are believed to have been killed 4-5 years ago according to this article. We do not have sketches of either the Mother or the Child yet, but we have been told the child was non-caucasian, and we have pictures of the gold jewelry from both the mother and child. We are also making a bit of an assumption that this is a Mother/Child relationship.... I do not believe that has been confirmed - they were related. So, technically they could be sisters, or an Aunt/Niece situation. When we search though missing person databases, keep that in mind.

    http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/...o-murder-case/

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    Wait a second...wasn't there some talk of a tenant of Brewer's disappearing, along with her young child?

    Gia something? Anyone else recall this?
    People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. ~ Bob Dylan

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