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    Whoever committed any or all of these murders is a heartless coward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just K View Post
    Whoever committed any or all of these murders is a heartless coward.
    I completely agree. They are sick lunatics who need to be locked up.

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    Experts Disagree Over Number Of Long Island Serial Killers

    The Gothamist, May 11, 2011 12:34 PM

    Meanwhile, the Daily News has rounded up a former detectives and a forensic psychologist who doubt the current theory of there being multiple killers—one who killed the four women found in December, one who killed the two dismembered women, one who killed the young Asian man and, assuming it was murdered, one who killed the toddler.

    "I wouldn't be so quick to be talking about multiple killers," retired NYPD detective and textbook author Vernon Geberth told the tabloid. "The probability of having two serial killers using the same dumping ground is very, very remote—to the point where I don't buy into it."

    And a forensic psychologist, N.G. Berrill, cautiously agrees saying that "That coincidence, in and of itself, would be remarkable."

    The two point out that bodies disposed of in different ways don't necessarily mean different killers. Instead they could simply imply that the one killer tried out decapitation and then found he could get his rocks off without it. "I am looking at a serial killer who has basically progressed," said Geberth. "He has become more effective at disposing of the bodies. He doesn't have to go through all the work of decapitating his victims."

    But others think there is a good chance the police are on the right track seeking out at least two killers. Forensic psychologist Barbara Kirwin chimes in with this chilling point: "We are not talking about a person as much as we are talking about a place. That desolate stretch of Gilgo Beach is a haunted graveyard, and what holds it all together is that it is an unpatrolled, completely private and deserted place where you can dump a body."
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    IDK, I tend towards the theory that we are dealing with one SK or a two individual SK team. My bet is one single male perp. The different locations of body disposal does not deter me from this thought as I feel the perp may be familiar with both areas and it is as simple as that. I agree with your thoughts Tapu, on the vehicle, van, or some such, that would not raise a red flag if seen pulled over on the side of the road. This guy fits in, he looks like he has every reason to be there and is not given a second glance when at the dump sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    Right. The big however in this case are the extra body part displacements (a single forearm as opposed to both forearms, a single foot as opposed to both feet). This, in and of itself, strongly indicates these displacements carry a significance beyond thwarting identification. Whether said significance is specific to the unsub's psychological makeup or meant as an unspoken message to others, is debatable. But, imnsho, it def has a meaning.
    Do you think he might have lost an appendage where the initial injury was caused by a prostitute?

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    It has been reported that a 48 year old male drifter was with JB the night that Shannan was last seen. I understand that it was reported that per the drifter's mother he is back in Georgia. It is fairly common for snowbirds aka possible weather driven drifter spend the colder months down south in FL, NC, SC, or Georgia while summering in Long Island.

    Since it seems that the 4gb were all last seen in the summer or warmer months, and so far none were last seen in colder months I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to research more about the unnamed drifter. Where in GA might he be? Have any young women, particularly prostitutes gone missing during the colder months from wherever in GA he might have lived?

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    Quote Originally Posted by relay View Post
    It has been reported that a 48 year old male drifter was with JB the night that Shannan was last seen. I understand that it was reported that per the drifter's mother he is back in Georgia. It is fairly common for snowbirds aka possible weather driven drifter spend the colder months down south in FL, NC, SC, or Georgia while summering in Long Island.

    Since it seems that the 4gb were all last seen in the summer or warmer months, and so far none were last seen in colder months I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to research more about the unnamed drifter. Where in GA might he be? Have any young women, particularly prostitutes gone missing during the colder months from wherever in GA he might have lived?
    Excellent post Relay, I know I'm in a bit of a rut and think we need to expand our possibilities. Are you good at research?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandi View Post
    Excellent post Relay, I know I'm in a bit of a rut and think we need to expand our possibilities. Are you good at research?
    Thank you scandi! I can try. Any ideas on how to find out more about the drifter, what part of GA he may have traveled to and if there are any women similar to our gb4 that are missing or have been found dead? Off I go, but I'm open to ideas on how to search!

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    The drifter's mother only stated that she thinks he went to GA iirc. I wish we knew where he originally came from. Where does he "live" year round? Should we start a thread on the drifter? Paddling along here, figuring things out.

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    I don't think we can really rely on the information that he is in Georgia. All we have is that his mother claimed he told her he was in Georgia. If I were trying to get lost I would not tell anyone where I actually was.


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    Quote Originally Posted by relay View Post
    Thank you scandi! I can try. Any ideas on how to find out more about the drifter, what part of GA he may have traveled to and if there are any women similar to our gb4 that are missing or have been found dead? Off I go, but I'm open to ideas on how to search!
    Yes, I think first finding out if there are similar type victims. It seems the victims usually remain similar even though SK's progress and often change their MO as they refine their ways or go into different stages.


    I just read the last posts before mine and see your point. However Georgia might be a good starting point. I know we have a similar killing in Conneticut, right, then NJ and one girl was from Maine?


    Georgia does seem a ways away from LI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    I don't think we can really rely on the information that he is in Georgia. All we have is that his mother claimed he told her he was in Georgia. If I were trying to get lost I would not tell anyone where I actually was.
    True. But, it is possible, and I would also like to know where the drifter is actually from, where he grew up and just more about him. We haven't heard much about him, but that doesn't mean he isn't important. I think that Shannan's terror began in jb's house either because she experienced something frightening, she was on drugs or maybe both.

    It seems the drifter has almost been downplayed and little is known about him. But, he could be involved. He was at jb's house the night Shannan was last seen and where she ran screaming in terror. I just wish we could find out more about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by relay View Post
    True. But, it is possible, and I would also like to know where the drifter is actually from, where he grew up and just more about him. We haven't heard much about him, but that doesn't mean he isn't important. I think that Shannan's terror began in jb's house either because she experienced something frightening, she was on drugs or maybe both.

    It seems the drifter has almost been downplayed and little is known about him. But, he could be involved. He was at jb's house the night Shannan was last seen and where she ran screaming in terror. I just wish we could find out more about him.
    A poster suggested looking at Shannan's Missing site. Maybe one of us could post there and ask questions about this drifter.

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    The special vehicle musing originally came from Just K. (Sorry, Just K, I did mean you but I always call you JK in my head!) Once s/he brought it up, I put it together with the idea that the perp might do more in the vehicle than just transport and dump the bodies. He has to kill, dismember, wrap, move to a vehicle (if not in the vehicle at an earlier stage), dispose of body/parts. And presumably clean up any and all locations where this is done.

    In thinking through those stages and the comfort level of the perp in his dumping ground, I wonder if he does rely heavily on a type of vehicle, as TLCox suggested, a van.

    What sort of business or roads/parks service or other job would issue or require a vehicle that in the summer months would not arouse interest parked off that beach?

    Most likely, of course, would be a business for which one uses a private vehicle, rather than a company/state vehicle--just for privacy, and for its availability in time off, and for clean-up.
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    This is just 100% speculation on my part, but I imagine our SK having a very organized "killing place," maybe a rented storage unit where he keeps everything related to his hobby. My intuition is this guy does not live alone.

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