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    Okay, I recall an actual case where a rapist/murderer possible serial killer in the making raped, tortured and murdered a beautiful teenage girl after abducting her from her own driveway. He then kept in touch with the mother I believe? I think he may have talked about the victim's sister and how he was attracted to her? It was a horrible story. They caught the killer, so they learned more about him. The victim was not a prostitute, but the fact that he called the family several times reminds me of this killer. I wish I could recall more about the case to learn more about the killer. He may have a similar profile in some respects.

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    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer"]Serial killer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="image" title="Scales of justice"><img alt="Scales of justice" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/100px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/100px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png[/ame]

    Just wanted to add this to the thread.

    ShadowWraiths, You are a whiz at providing links! Thank you!

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    RE: limb dismemberment

    Thinking about the "world" that these victims were apart of, I think it is interesting to note was cutting off a hand/foot would signify. Hands are cut off because the person is accused/ guilty of stealing. It is particularly interesting to note that in the Quran people are encouraged to cut off the right limbs. I won't lie, when I hear about feet being cut off I am reminded of Roots (yes the movie)...no feet= no running.

    Is it possible that, a person who has made it "up the chain" because of their ability to keep girls "in line" finally snapped?

    I think, in order to understand the significance of the missing limbs we really need to know whether they were post mortem or not. JMOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by relay View Post
    Okay, I recall an actual case where a rapist/murderer possible serial killer in the making raped, tortured and murdered a beautiful teenage girl after abducting her from her own driveway. He then kept in touch with the mother I believe? I think he may have talked about the victim's sister and how he was attracted to her? It was a horrible story. They caught the killer, so they learned more about him. The victim was not a prostitute, but the fact that he called the family several times reminds me of this killer. I wish I could recall more about the case to learn more about the killer. He may have a similar profile in some respects.
    Shari Smith, maybe? This is her sister who spoke to the killer:
    http://www.dawnsmithjordan.com/about_dawn.php

    The killer was sent to the eletric chair in SC.
    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Gene_Bell"]Larry Gene Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Throughout the largest manhunt in South Carolina history, Bell made eight telephone calls to the Smith family, often speaking with Shari's sister, Dawn. Bell eventually gave exact directions to the locations of both of the bodies and described to the family how he had killed Smith

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    Very good article on sociopaths:

    http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html
    Here's a summary of Common Everyday Sociopaths:

    1. They make you feel sorry for them.

    2. They make you feel worried or afraid.

    3. They give you the impression you owe them.

    4. They make you feel used.

    5. Sometimes you suspect they don't care about you.

    6. They lie to you and deceive you.

    7. They take a lot from you and give back very little.

    8. They make you feel guilty (and use that to manipulate you).

    9. They take advantage of your kindness.

    10. They are easily bored and need constant stimulation.

    11. They don't take responsibility, but place blame elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by relay View Post
    Okay, I recall an actual case where a rapist/murderer possible serial killer in the making raped, tortured and murdered a beautiful teenage girl after abducting her from her own driveway. He then kept in touch with the mother I believe? I think he may have talked about the victim's sister and how he was attracted to her? It was a horrible story. They caught the killer, so they learned more about him. The victim was not a prostitute, but the fact that he called the family several times reminds me of this killer. I wish I could recall more about the case to learn more about the killer. He may have a similar profile in some respects.
    Here is great video on the profiling on Larry Gene Bell.

    Larry Gene Bell who made many calls to his victim Sharon "Shari" Faye Smith´s little sister.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCdbE6arp1M&feature=related"]YouTube - &#x202a;Profilers 2/3&#x202c;&rlm;[/ame] Profilers 3/3 start at ca. 12:40

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4xMmKTVAwg&NR=1"]YouTube - &#x202a;Profilers 3/3&#x202c;&rlm;[/ame] Profilers 3/3

    And here the wikipedia on Larry Gene Bell

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Gene_Bell"]Larry Gene Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Hope you don't mind me jumping into this discussion ?

    The idea of the transport vehicle being a utility or municipal type of work vehicle is interesting, I never would have thought of that.

    Idk about the drifter idea. This guy would need regular Internet access.

    The main thing to me is the burlap. That's not your everyday type of material. Because of the area, I can't see how a farmer could possibly be involved but how about a horse person ?

    If I recall correctly, don't they think there's a link between these remains and remains found in NJ ?

    I live on Long Island so I'm interested in this case.

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    Good idea about a horse person/burlap connection, downport. I assume there are still riding stables on LI. A friend of mine grew up on LI and took riding lessons back in the day...60's & 70's. Sorry for my ignorance of the area, I have never visited LI. (I live on a small island south of NY and I don't think I can get a visual on the vastness of LI, we have no stables here, lol!)

    ONe idea I had about the drifter is that he contracts with the girls from a computer in a hotel lobby or public library. It would be more difficult to track him since he 'drifts' around, IMO.

    The alleged link between the LI & AC murders have been discounted, last I heard. We have a wonderful case archive album in a sticky thread with all msm and photos. It is a great resource. (Thanks to fellow sleuth AmandaReckonWith!)

    Glad you joined the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    I don't think we can really rely on the information that he is in Georgia. All we have is that his mother claimed he told her he was in Georgia. If I were trying to get lost I would not tell anyone where I actually was.
    And we know that some mothers lie.

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    Yes, there are still riding stables throught the Island. Not like in the '80s & '70s, but still a lot.

    Western Suffolk Co & Nassau Co are conjested, wall to wall suburban homes & shopping malls & strip malls. Really no open land at all aside from little league fields. However this Ocean Parkway strip is desolate. It's VERY hard for me to imagine anyone going there unless they were very comfortable with that part of the Island. He HAS to have a close tie to it, IMO.

    Reading the LI Press article about the Manorville area got me thinking; there's nowhere for one of the few gun owners to shoot a gun outside of a range. The one in Manorville is the only one I know of besides one, I think, in Calverton. So I wonder if the guy is a registered gun owner ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by downport View Post
    Hope you don't mind me jumping into this discussion ?

    The idea of the transport vehicle being a utility or municipal type of work vehicle is interesting, I never would have thought of that.

    Idk about the drifter idea. This guy would need regular Internet access.

    The main thing to me is the burlap. That's not your everyday type of material. Because of the area, I can't see how a farmer could possibly be involved but how about a horse person ?

    If I recall correctly, don't they think there's a link between these remains and remains found in NJ ?

    I live on Long Island so I'm interested in this case.
    Here in PA, DCNR plants trees. If someone worked for DCNR, he could have the inconspicuous vehicle plus access to burlap (often trees at the nursery have it wrapped around their roots, I think).
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    Ocean Parkway

    Good points have been brought up about how this person/people eluded detection while in the act of disposing of bodies along the parkway...

    I grew up locally, and I believe OP is patrolled by NYS Troopers rather than Nassau/Suffolk County PD, as most “parkways” around here generally seem to be (in my experience.)


    I don’t think it is lawful to pull-over on OP and park on the shoulder. There may be signs posted altering drivers to this, but I think a passing patrol car would approach a stopped vehicle.


    I was once pulled-over on the OP (at night) for accidentally throwing a cigarette out of my car window. There were two NYS Troopers in the one car that immediately pulled me over, and they chastised me for what I admit was an irresponsible act. (This took place several years ago.)
    The OP is very flat and has unobstructed views, therefore someone who is pulled-over on the shoulder would be able to see an approaching car from either direction, and from a far distance. Also, especially during colder weather and at night, one is often able to drive on the OP for awhile without passing another motorist.


    A few days ago in the evening, I drove past an SUV pulled over and parked very far off the shoulder of OP. It freaked me out, and I wondered if I should call police when I realized I was close to the Nikon Theater, and they were most likely trying to catch what they could of the concert that was going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post

    ONe idea I had about the drifter is that he contracts with the girls from a computer in a hotel lobby or public library. It would be more difficult to track him since he 'drifts' around, IMO.

    wm

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    I don't know if it would be more difficult, it may be easier once pinpointed as any computer contact would involve signing in to email with passwords to post of craiglist, I don't know about the other site. That is if there were ever any posts from the killer. If the girls just posted their ads and put a phone number up then the killer would just be reading, not responding via computer. The killer would then just pick up the phone. IIRC, all the girls posted phone numbers.

    Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21merc7 View Post
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    I don't know if it would be more difficult, it may be easier once pinpointed as any computer contact would involve signing in to email with passwords to post of craiglist, I don't know about the other site. That is if there were ever any posts from the killer. If the girls just posted their ads and put a phone number up then the killer would just be reading, not responding via computer. The killer would then just pick up the phone. IIRC, all the girls posted phone numbers.

    That's what I was thinking. I'm not too familiar with Craigslist, but I think that you can simply read the posts without having to log in. I doubt that the killer had a Craigslist account. If he did, then LE should have been able to catch him by now. MOO.
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    cells left behind

    The last two victims voluntarily left their cell phones behind, so I was thinking about how someone might have convinced them to do that. I haven't liked any of the explanations I have read so far so here's my alternative

    Turn the cell phone into a liability for them. Given that the killer is able to avoid cell tracking himself, it suggests he has some knowledge in this area. He might present himself as a law enforcement professional with inside information and convince the girl that her cell phone position is being monitored by law enforcement after she posted the number in an escort ad. Discuss this with her, offer to help her avoid getting arrested, and purchase services stressing that the phone will get them both arrested.

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