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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighNative View Post
    BBM

    I'd definitely agree with that statement.

    The poster yesterday (I think it was Sunshine05?) had studied juror demographics, and stated AA women and working class woman were least likely to support LE.

    I'd imagine most working-class women wish they had the option to be a SAHM, drive a BMW, live in a large home, and have a $300 weekly allowance.
    I brought that up yesterday too. We know one of them works collection at night, do you think they would like to be a SAHM rolling around in a BMW getting 300 a week? I bet they don't make 300 a week doing the job they have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloghooligan View Post
    Official misconduct is not as rare as one may think.
    Look no further than SBI.

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    Of course if the majority of those 10 female jurors are stay-at-home moms, I'd think they'd be leaning towards a guilty verdict. Hmmm, it's all very interesting. I hadn't read too closely into the juror demographics until now, when things are wrapping up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrb0124 View Post
    Look no further than SBI.
    Yes, and as I said above, the FBI has had its share of problems as well. The SBI's situation was isolated to report writing in blood analysis back in the 90's and early 2000's. The FBI's problem was IMO inaccurate interpretation of results in a particular analysis. Both agencies have corrected the problem or no longer do the specific procedures/reports as they did before. However, it is enough with the embellishment of the news media to create doubt even with good results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighNative View Post
    Of course if the majority of those 10 female jurors are stay-at-home moms, I'd think they'd be leaning towards a guilty verdict. Hmmm, it's all very interesting. I hadn't read too closely into the juror demographics until now, when things are wrapping up.
    I agree, should be very interesting to see what verdict the jurors come back with. I can see both sides of the coin honestly. When I was a SAHM, we were on a tight budget, there were no extras. Yet, being a SAHM, I would be more inclined to understand the 'control' BC allegedly tried thru financial means. More or less, I can understand the 'trapped' feeling of relying on another person for everything.

    I would have a hard time as a juror. But then again, they have heard some testimony we haven't so I am not even close to assuming that they will either come back with G/NG at this point. Just personal opinion after having the option of going back and reading and listening until I can't think anymore.
    I have not had the opportunity to meet a couple talking about, hiring an attorney to divorce someone and then living with their spouse. Divorce is hard enough without living with the person. Then again, they were still making plans to do things as couple or 'friends' or whatever they were doing. Its so odd to me I can not even relate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momof7 View Post
    I agree, should be very interesting to see what verdict the jurors come back with. I can see both sides of the coin honestly. When I was a SAHM, we were on a tight budget, there were no extras. Yet, being a SAHM, I would be more inclined to understand the 'control' BC allegedly tried thru financial means. More or less, I can understand the 'trapped' feeling of relying on another person for everything.

    I would have a hard time as a juror. But then again, they have heard some testimony we haven't so I am not even close to assuming that they will either come back with G/NG at this point. Just personal opinion after having the option of going back and reading and listening until I can't think anymore.
    I have not had the opportunity to meet a couple talking about, hiring an attorney to divorce someone and then living with their spouse. Divorce is hard enough without living with the person. Then again, they were still making plans to do things as couple or 'friends' or whatever they were doing. Its so odd to me I can not even relate.

    Kelly
    Thanks Kelly. I have had several friends with young children get divorced. And in my experience, the majority of them did not physically separate right away, and they did still socialize with us occassionally as a couple as they were working through the details.

    Fortunately I am not divorced, but I've seen this same behavior in my friends, so I don't consider it odd.

    However, of my friends, no spouse wound up killed. I would find it hard to believe that a divorcing couple who hated each that much would still be socializing together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighNative View Post
    Someone was commenting yesterday about which juror demographics are most likely to distrust LE; and said this jury was made up primarily of working-class women.

    Other than gender, do we have any information on the demographics of this jury?
    The subject of the jury has been frequently broached on this forum. I have heard among other things:
    1) A jury, primarily composed of minority women, one who has a night job working for a ???, are not going to have sympathy for NC and her posse. (I thought that was posted today or last night, but it has disappeared...???)
    2) This jury will never be able to understand how $300 could not be a good allowance.
    3) That the jurors are probably reading here, but, (I'm paraphrasing other posts), "Oh, I couldn't go 3 weeks without sneaking a look at a paper, or forum, or news cast, either." (Thus implying it would be natural and okay to do so...)
    4) And, the jury is tired of listening and wants to go home and they said just after Mrs. C brought the ducks to court.
    5) The jury is too loud (giggling, laughing), too sensitive (jury requesting people in courtroom not stare at them), and too impatient (recent note about when is the trial going to end.)

    These comments and ideas are very interesting. Someone else alluded to the fact the Kurtz and Company spent too much on jury consultants and didn't have funds left for expert witnesses.

    I've asked a couple of times who the jury/trial consultants are, but either no one knows or my voice is too weak to be heard. I've tried Googling for the information, but haven't been able to locate it. If someone can point me in the right direction, I am still interested in this information.

    When the trial began, I wondered how any defense jury/trial consultant could have been comfortable with 8 women and 2 men in a trial of this nature. Then I started to piece together the impetus of the posts and the composition of the jury.

    This is only theoretical, so please don't attack me for my suggestion of a manner in which this jury could be perceived as beneficial to the defense. (These are just demographic observations, not personal feelings...)

    A jury/trial consultant may have felt that:
    1. Some of the jurors may be economically disadvantaged and/or a minority, apt to be unsympathetic to NC's spending habits and/or needs.
    2. Some may be technologically challenged and less apt to own a computer because of my gender or race.
    3. That the jurorsí economic background, racial makeup, and gender make them less able to sustain attention to detail and testimony; and, more likely to be prejudiced against CPD and understanding of wrongful accusations.

    If this is the case, this could backfire for the defense. Kurtz and company and the DA's office accepted this panel. I would be interested in their observations and comments if any exist now....or later.

    If I were a member of the jury, reading here when I've been asked not to, I would be angry and indignant to be selected to be part of this group because of my race, gender, and/or economic background because someone felt I would be less able to remain unbiased and less capable of acting as a fair and impartial juror.

    Did anyone attend the voir dire phase? I guess the public normally does not watch that portion of the trial, correct? Did anyone see the jury questionnaire?

    Just wondering...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighNative View Post
    I would find it hard to believe that a divorcing couple who hated each that much that they would still be socializing together.
    I agree that the picture painted by some is not supported by the actual behvaior and evidence, which includes the lack of communication between NC and her divorce attorney in the months preceding her death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighNative View Post
    Thanks Kelly. I have had several friends with young children get divorced. And in my experience, the majority of them did not physically separate right away, and they did still socialize with us occassionally as a couple as they were working through the details.

    Fortunately I am not divorced, but I've seen this same behavior in my friends, so I don't consider it odd.

    However, of my friends, no spouse wound up killed. I would find it hard to believe that a divorcing couple who hated each that much would still be socializing together.
    BBM

    I agree. I do have friends that were better at the journey, civil to each other, great parents so I can see that it is possible. The 2 different views presented, hating each other to the point of murder yet, attending parties and socializing with friends is where I go astray. IMHO.

    Kelly

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    trial is live


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    So far,

    Cummings indicates pros is going to call rebuttal witnesses from both pros and defense (uncalled) list. Has some new info re: these witnesses passed to def.

    kurtz: info received on router(s) has conflicting serial numbers - unclear from the material received if there is a linkup with the serial numbers...different routers...?

    BZ: all the info I have is that router w/serial number that ends in "H" has been missing, not sure about the one which ends in "T".

    kurtz: I understand "H" vs "T", I am referring to the fact that MAC and serial number attached to CF testimony ends in "6" and starts FOC...

    (kurtz and BZ comparing notes)

    kurtz: move to suppress Cisco router testimony re: router which ends in "H", discovery from state re: that router purchased but unaccounted for from Cisco, however info from CF...

    -camera off

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloghooligan View Post
    I wonder how many paid close attention to the Nifong/Duke case which happened in their backyard. Definitely impacted me as a juror. Official misconduct is not as rare as one may think.

    Although you continue to try to link them together, IMO the two cases have NOTHING in common. MOO


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    What is happening? Are they in recess or what? TIA!
    Thoughts and prayers for the people of Paris and all of France!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracielee View Post



    Although you continue to try to link them together, IMO the two cases have NOTHING in common. MOO

    Morning Gracie, I know they have nothing in common at first glance. However, Nifong created tremendous credibility issues among the public. That distrust is still prevalent and can impact the State, especially if the defense can show some blatant discrepancies with the State's case and eye witness testimony. IMHO

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    Okay, I lost my live feed??? Anyone lose theirs? What happened?

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