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  1. #451
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Why do you think the jury deliberated as long as it did?

    How do you feel about the guilty verdict?

    Do you think they will hand down a death penalty?
    1. One news reporter said there was one juror holding out. Sorry I can't find link. Also, my opinion is that the jury wanted to be thorough, since the evidence was all circumstantial, albeit overwhelming.

    2. This was the right verdict. I would have been sick if he walked out a free man. But it doesn't bring back Sheri or those beautiful boys.

    3. Yes, but the gov will commute the sentence to LWOP. I'm sorry that taxpayers will have to support this guy for the rest of his life, but more importantly, he won't be walking among us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stmarysmead View Post
    Sheri hoped to “convert” Tara to a life of faith and service, but it was Tara that converted Chris to a life of “being bad.” I think Tara was Chris strength to rebel...the threat letters calling Meyer a “hypocrite” were Chris venting at his employer, and the values he’d been raised with, the “goody-two-shoes” wife...everything that kept him, to his mind, caged in. Not free.
    Hi, stmarysmead. Most of your post was insightful, but I have to respectfully disagree with some of what you wrote. I don't think Tara, as bad as she is, had to convert Chris to the dark side. He was already there. You mentioned the "values he'd been raised with." IMO, he was raised in an atmosphere of entitlement and religious hypocrisy. He thought that calling Myers a hypocrite (posing as a stalker) would stick because he already felt that way, and figured others did too. Even though he clearly saw the hypocrisy, it didn't bother him. He still wanted that lifestyle because the material and other advantages. Because of the feeling of entitlement, he thought he would get away with it.

    The reason I feel he was raised in such an atmosphere is the actions and attitudes of his brothers. Especially Brad thinking he could get away with threatening a witness at the trial. He sort of did get away with it. Also there is the unwavering support of the parents in the face of overwhelming evidence that their son is guilty. Even after the convictions, Brad told the press, "He's still innocent in our eyes." IMO, this family knows he's guilty, but thinks that being religious should somehow exempt him from punishment. That's the way they raised their boys.

    It's too late for Chris, but the rest of the Coleman family should go home and rethink their lives.

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    I think you make a great point, Mr. Fixit. I was astounded when the Defense tried to argue that Chris had to be innocent because of whom his parents were. There is no job profession that is exempt from producing evil spawn.(my opinion of Chris)

    The argument reeked of arrogance and entitlement you describe.

    Whether one calls himself a "pastor" or a "carnival barker", as the Bible says, it's not titles but actions that are how they define themselves...and how we will "know them"...one from another.

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    if there is no death penalty in Illinois ..what are they arguing?

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    I was stuck in the Nancy Cooper murder trial and only read the media articles concerning this trial.

    I so appreciate the guilty x3 verdict. I did follow the case in the beginning and for a very long time. Justice for Sherri and her precious boys has been done. The sad part is that nothing will bring them back.

    GB Sherri's family and friends!
    Thoughts and prayers for the people of Paris and all of France!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fixit View Post
    Hi, stmarysmead. Most of your post was insightful, but I have to respectfully disagree with some of what you wrote. I don't think Tara, as bad as she is, had to convert Chris to the dark side. He was already there. You mentioned the "values he'd been raised with." IMO, he was raised in an atmosphere of entitlement and religious hypocrisy. He thought that calling Myers a hypocrite (posing as a stalker) would stick because he already felt that way, and figured others did too. Even though he clearly saw the hypocrisy, it didn't bother him. He still wanted that lifestyle because the material and other advantages. Because of the feeling of entitlement, he thought he would get away with it.

    The reason I feel he was raised in such an atmosphere is the actions and attitudes of his brothers. Especially Brad thinking he could get away with threatening a witness at the trial. He sort of did get away with it. Also there is the unwavering support of the parents in the face of overwhelming evidence that their son is guilty. Even after the convictions, Brad told the press, "He's still innocent in our eyes." IMO, this family knows he's guilty, but thinks that being religious should somehow exempt him from punishment. That's the way they raised their boys.

    It's too late for Chris, but the rest of the Coleman family should go home and rethink their lives.
    I think you are right, CC did feel entitled. Remember how he told Sheri that she and the kids were keeping him from his destiny? He probably felt that he had asked he about divorce, she refused to give him one, so he could do whatever he wanted to fulfill his "destiny." Since he is all about himself, he felt justified in his actions, as sick as that is.
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    Palomine... There still is a death penalty in Illinois until July 1st. However the Governor has said he will commute any death penalties imposed between now & then. Some legislators are extremely upset with him for doing a mass commute of sentences without reviewing each case, and this case is HUGE for warranting the DP. Let's hope they do convince him not to spare CC, but I doubt it.

    Good Morning all! Had a self-imposed timeout from the internet the last few days... but today is a Great Day for a Death Sentence!!! I am most looking forward to the statements by the Coleman family on why CC should be spared. An article in the paper in the last days quoted one of the brothers as saying "He's still innocent in our eyes". Seriously??? After sitting through all the testimony, viewing photos of Sheri, Garett & Gavin's dead bodies how can they still say this? It's sickening! Today should be interesting to say the least.

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    I wish we could have read the closing arguments. The media seemed to indicate that the Prosecution argued that Coleman felt "trapped" between a promise of marriage to Tara and a stubborn wife...and that led to murder.

    But the "threats" began barely a week after Tara "changed his life." He didn't even give getting a divorce a chance before he set in plan his murder plot. Why the death threats if he had any plan to end the marriage the conventional way? No, I think he needed to be rid of those children too.

    To me, this is very compelling re: the death penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stmarysmead View Post
    I wish we could have read the closing arguments. The media seemed to indicate that the Prosecution argued that Coleman felt "trapped" between a promise of marriage to Tara and a stubborn wife...and that led to murder.

    But the "threats" began barely a week after Tara "changed his life." He didn't even give getting a divorce a chance before he set in plan his murder plot. Why the death threats if he had any plan to end the marriage the conventional way? No, I think he needed to be rid of those children too.

    To me, this is very compelling re: the death penalty.
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    very good points. I think he likely had several "plans"...murder being one of them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian5671 View Post
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    very good points. I think he likely had several "plans"...murder being one of them....
    And who is to say that Tara isn't the one who gave him the idea to start with, thereby "changing his life" in a twinkling? His plans certainly seem to have started right away in their "relationship" (hard to even type that).

    ETA: I feel fairly sure that there were plenty of other loose women who were available to "change his life" in the position he was in ( on the road most of the time) but maybe, just maybe, only ONE proposed such a thorough solution that he could live with.


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    A JUROR'S DESCRIPTION

    Juror Kimberly Ferrari, a nurse in Pinckneyville, said jurors voted 8-4 for guilt early in their deliberations Wednesday, the first of two days they considered the case. Later that evening, she said, the vote for guilt had weakened to 7-5.

    Ferrari said all 12 believed Coleman had done it, but those unwilling to vote for guilt were concerned by all the circumstantial evidence in the prosecution’s case.

    "Nothing solid or concrete, no murder weapon," said Ferrari, who said she voted for guilt throughout. She spoke to a reporter later in the afternoon at her home in Pinckneyville.

    In the second day of deliberation on Thursday, jurors voted 9-3 for guilt, she said. What she described as the "ah ha moment" was their agreement that the dates listed on photographs on the cell phones of Coleman and his mistress, Tara Lintz of Largo, Fla., showed deception. Ferrari said photos of the two in romantic poses had been taken as early as October 2009, two months before Lintz testified the affair had begun.

    She said the time stamps also showed that Coleman was deleting photos while police were interviewing him on the day of the murders. She said one of the holdouts pondered the photo dates and said, "Oh, my God." Once they agreed that photo dates were significant, they voted 12-0 for guilt, she said.

    The jury reported it had reached a verdict about 7 p.m. Thursday after 15 hours of deliberation.

    Of the holdouts, Ferrari said, "They all believed he did it. They were just tyring to figure it out."

    Ferrari said one thing that surprised her was Lintz’ decision to testify while wearing the promise ring that Coleman gave her. "That was something," she said.

    Ferrari said jurors also had agreed informally to recommend the death penalty, had they been given the chance to consider punishment.

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...9bb30f31a.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by stmarysmead View Post
    A JUROR'S DESCRIPTION

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    She said the time stamps also showed that Coleman was deleting photos while police were interviewing him on the day of the murders. She said one of the holdouts pondered the photo dates and said, "Oh, my God." Once they agreed that photo dates were significant, they voted 12-0 for guilt, she said.

    The jury reported it had reached a verdict about 7 p.m. Thursday after 15 hours of deliberation.

    Of the holdouts, Ferrari said, "They all believed he did it. They were just tyring to figure it out."

    Ferrari said one thing that surprised her was Lintz’ decision to testify while wearing the promise ring that Coleman gave her. "That was something," she said.

    Ferrari said jurors also had agreed informally to recommend the death penalty, had they been given the chance to consider punishment.


    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...9bb30f31a.html
    Respectfully snipped and bolded. Thank heavens for the good sense this jury showed.
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    Wow, fascinating article from the juror's perspective. Isn't circumstantial evidence supposed to be given equal weight? Are jurors instructed about that?

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    "In the second day of deliberation on Thursday, jurors voted 9-3 for guilt, she said. What she described as the "ah ha moment" was their agreement that the dates listed on photographs on the cell phones of Coleman and his mistress, Tara Lintz of Largo, Fla., showed deception. Ferrari said photos of the two in romantic poses had been taken as early as October 2009, two months before Lintz testified the affair had begun.

    Why was it necessary for them to lie about when the affair began? The timing of the affair should be inconsequential...but it is somehow important enough for Tara to perjure herself in court.

    I think there is much more here...and it involves Tara. That would explain the wearing of the Promise Ring to court.

    Something just does not make sense. But I suppose we will never know.
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    http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-col...,3401084.story

    They will apparently have an extensive piece soon...with new details and interviews with Sheri's friends.

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