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    Quote Originally Posted by WesternArtist View Post
    I don’t know what led to things getting personal here but this article has some good details about the officer John Mallia and Blue finding many of the remains: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/04/1...r-and-dog.html
    Good article there WA.. one thing i dont quite understand is why did all these initial reports come out about the gb4 being wrapped in burlap? Almost every news source who printed articles in the beginning, all reported that the bodies were wrapped in burlap.

    Now.. after watching those arrow security tapes with dormer and verrone, which were filmed after the initial burlap reports... verrone says that the bodies were wrapped and he wouldnt say what they were wrapped in... why not say? Was he unaware of the public reports about burlap being used as the wrapping? I get the fact that LE keeps some aspects close to the cuff in an active investigation, but not being on the same page with details that have already been reported seemed odd imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    Good article there WA.. one thing i dont quite understand is why did all these initial reports come out about the gb4 being wrapped in burlap? Almost every news source who printed articles in the beginning, all reported that the bodies were wrapped in burlap.

    Now.. after watching those arrow security tapes with dormer and verrone, which were filmed after the initial burlap reports... verrone says that the bodies were wrapped and he wouldnt say what they were wrapped in... why not say? Was he unaware of the public reports about burlap being used as the wrapping? I get the fact that LE keeps some aspects close to the cuff in an active investigation, but not being on the same page with details that have already been reported seemed odd imo.
    The report about the victims being wrapped in burlap was released unofficially. Someone let the cat out of the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee21 View Post
    Its possible LE got a tip. If so, whos the tipster? The killer?
    Verrone and Dormer said the entire parkway was searched JUST OVER THE BRUSH. The decision to do so was because four remains were found JUST OVER THE BRUSH. That makes sense.
    March 2011. A marine officer is driving down OP. He spotted something FURTHER BACK INTO THE THICKETS. How did he manage that? Was he driving at 2MPH with binoculars? It was Jessica Taylor.
    Correction: Dormer said a marine officer on foot saw something in the brush.
    Verrone said a marine officer spotted something in the brush while driving on the pkwy. He said it twice.
    I guess one or the other misspoke.
    Neither one of them mentioned the name of the marine officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee21 View Post
    The report about the victims being wrapped in burlap was released unofficially. Someone let the cat out of the bag.
    Gotcha deedee.. now it makes sense.

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    Guys not for nothing but doesnít this all sound a little to coincidental. I think they knew something was going on for along time and possibley may not have acted when they could have and that may be a big part of the cover up. Letís also not forget the police told JT pimp/boyfriend that she was wrapped in burlap found in Manorville NY. That was kept secret for a reason. I remember reading something about the other Girl the one LISK called the sister the boyfriend of that girl I belive spoke about a house in LI that she went to donít quote me on it all because I donít remember the whole artical but that boyfriend/pimp said he would take LE to the house in LI well apently the police said they would come pick this guy up so they could take a ride out well the police never came to get him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee21 View Post
    Correction: Dormer said a marine officer on foot saw something in the brush.
    Verrone said a marine officer spotted something in the brush while driving on the pkwy. He said it twice.
    I guess one or the other misspoke.
    Neither one of them mentioned the name of the marine officer.
    Marine patrol was the first LE to get anywhere near Shannan. It's hard to find, but Gus Coletti says the "Marine Bureau" actually was the FIRST LE to come to Shannan's help after she got to Colettis. If you can't find it, Let me know. But try to find it yourself first. Tx!
    I would give a link but I didn't save the file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twocuriouscats View Post
    Marine patrol was the first LE to get anywhere near Shannan. It's hard to find, but Gus Coletti says the "Marine Bureau" actually was the FIRST LE to come to Shannan's help after she got to Colettis. If you can't find it, Let me know. But try to find it yourself first. Tx!
    I would give a link but I didn't save the file.
    YEAH AND GUESS WHO WORKED FOR THE MARINE BUREAU? JOE. GUESS WHO ALSO LIKELY USED LARGE BURLAP BAGS or BURLAP AT HIS LARGE SCALE MARIJUANA GROW IN PA? JOE. WHO LIVED IN THE AREA OF OAK BEACH AND KNOWS IT LIKE THE BACK OF HIS HAND? JOE. WHO INTIMIDATED PEOPLE SLEUTHING THIS CASE WITH FLUKE CALLS AND EVEN HAD A SCREEN NAME OF FLUKE YOU? JOE. WHO WAS ALLEGEDLY A BAD HUSBAND TO HIS MAIL ORDER BRIDES? JOE.

    I guess those coincidences mean nothing. I hope he is being looked at. He probably isn't LISK, but it makes you wonder and I think he needs to be investigated (but I got a feeling he already is).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous19 View Post
    Guys not for nothing but doesn’t this all sound a little to coincidental. I think they knew something was going on for along time and possibley may not have acted when they could have and that may be a big part of the cover up. Let’s also not forget the police told JT pimp/boyfriend that she was wrapped in burlap found in Manorville NY. That was kept secret for a reason. I remember reading something about the other Girl the one LISK called the sister the boyfriend of that girl I belive spoke about a house in LI that she went to don’t quote me on it all because I don’t remember the whole artical but that boyfriend/pimp said he would take LE to the house in LI well apently the police said they would come pick this guy up so they could take a ride out well the police never came to get him.
    No more placating. Early reports released that the body was found on a sheet of plastic - the pimp is the only person to assert there was burlap involved with Jessica Taylor. and you believe the pimp? It isn't until now, years later, that people are saying there was burlap involved based off of the account of one criminal and what he says police told him. Why would police give important case info away to her pimp (likely a person of interest)? Sure there could have been burlap, but we don't have any real CREDIBLE source for that info.

    You take the word of a lot of people to heart, don't you?

    word ain't always fact. and again, stop acting so entitled to this case. LOL you aren't law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous19 View Post
    Guys not for nothing but doesn’t this all sound a little to coincidental. I think they knew something was going on for along time and possibley may not have acted when they could have and that may be a big part of the cover up. Let’s also not forget the police told JT pimp/boyfriend that she was wrapped in burlap found in Manorville NY. That was kept secret for a reason. I remember reading something about the other Girl the one LISK called the sister the boyfriend of that girl I belive spoke about a house in LI that she went to don’t quote me on it all because I don’t remember the whole artical but that boyfriend/pimp said he would take LE to the house in LI well apently the police said they would come pick this guy up so they could take a ride out well the police never came to get him.
    If you want to talk about a cover up, why don't you research why Burke took his 3 best vice detectives off of the gang task force (which deal with drugs and prostitution often) and refused FBI help when the bodies were found?

    But, what do I know...

    That pimp who said he would take them to the John in LI was Johnny Terry. They did not follow up with him on going to the John's place. This would have been early on when Burke was still involved with the investigation. Johnny was Melissa's pimp. Her sister Amanda was the one who received calls (and Lynn would listen in - but not speak as LISK would hang up if he thought Lynn was on the phone). Can you at least remember the victim's names as well as their relatives?

    SCPD didn't give two poos about this case from the get go - they were prostitutes and many in LE there at the time could care less about the rights of those women. You know, the kind of guys/people who think women have nothing to add to conversation or society and tell them to go back to making meatloaf for their irish husbands.
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    oh and i also think it is interesting that Joe became so close with Mari and the rest of the victims families. Made sure to show up to vigils. SK's are known to do that. Sorry I just forgot to note that.

    Back to Jessica: I tend to think she was more at risk like the other early victims of LISK. He progressed to murdering less at risk people who SEEMINGLY tricked online for themselves rather than on the streets for a pimp (who probably fit more of the victim profile he desires). did the pimp say anything about where he was when she disappeared or if anyone was with her when she disappeared? Quite convenient for him to leave that info out. A pimp always has eyes on his girls - they are his meal ticket. Was this the one time she decided to try and trick on her own? I highly doubt it. But if she did try to trick by herself and keep the money that in and of itself could have angered her pimp.

    also, I think LISK knew if he picked the girls up online there was less likely a chance of a pimp interfering and knowing about him. But early on he didn't do this... and I think he learned his lesson and wised up.

    For Melissa's pimp AND boyfriend: why did the police not follow up on Terry's lead about the John in LI in regard to Melissa? Maybe they thought he was guilty of the crime initially and didn't believe his story (which is not good police work). The first suspect of these sort of crimes typically is the pimp/trafficker so I can see where they would doubt his claim, but they should have checked the lead out anyway instead of assuming that the obvious criminal (Terry) in the situation was the only nefarious party in all of this. I think they thought his story was too unbelievable and wrote it off JMO. I don't think it was necessarily a result of corruption.

    random sidenote: Terry claimed that LISK said he knew where Terri lived AND he described Terry's tattoos to him. I'm sure Terry had priors and possibly his tattoos were documented/listed in those reports. Makes you wonder about whether or not LISK had access to criminal reports or if he simply knew info about Terry by torturing Melissa for that info. He said he knew what Melissa and Terry did in the bedroom. Did he see them on a videocam online doing it? Did he know this from Melissa telling him? That interests me.
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    <modsnip> I wonder if they ever did end up going to this guys house ither way the guy knows where the house in LI is. I can’t not see the Feds looking into to that. These people may also have been told not to talk by a judge considering it’s a active investigation . I’d really love to know where the house . Be awfully strange if it was in Massapeqa area. Or close to where the phone was pinged. And the girls online are just a vulnerable as the street walkers sometimes. You have to analyze risk by judgeing the type of escort the girl is thats easy to do. I think we tend to over think this case. But all this stuff about what LISK said and describe Terry that’s very strange. And to have access to tattoos that might be available in jails computer systems unless it was seen in a mug shot. Wonder if Terry bumped into lisk in jail. With all that information now iam really starting to feel that FBI knows a lot lot more then what they are telling the public. Iam staring to think the know who the guy is they just can’t prove beyond reasonable doubt. I wonder if there is anyway of finding where that house is, well I hope he put the word out In the street to not go to it, especialy if it was in the area the phones where pinged. This is awfully strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous19 View Post
    <modsnip> I wonder if they ever did end up going to this guys house ither way the guy knows where the house in LI is. I canít not see the Feds looking into to that. These people may also have been told not to talk by a judge considering itís a active investigation . Iíd really love to know where the house . Be awfully strange if it was in Massapeqa area. Or close to where the phone was pinged. And the girls online are just a vulnerable as the street walkers sometimes. You have to analyze risk by judgeing the type of escort the girl is thats easy to do. I think we tend to over think this case. But all this stuff about what LISK said and describe Terry thatís very strange. And to have access to tattoos that might be available in jails computer systems unless it was seen in a mug shot. Wonder if Terry bumped into lisk in jail. With all that information now iam really starting to feel that FBI knows a lot lot more then what they are telling the public. Iam staring to think the know who the guy is they just canít prove beyond reasonable doubt. I wonder if there is anyway of finding where that house is, well I hope he put the word out In the street to not go to it, especialy if it was in the area the phones where pinged. This is awfully strange.
    Sleuths should get Terry to point out the Johnís house in LI. Wouldnít hurt.

    On the pimp subject for Melissa:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/meliss...ms-secret-life

    notable points:

    "Melissa Barthelemy was last seen on July 12, 2009, sitting on a curb outside the Bronx basement apartment she shared with her five cats. The 24-year-old Buffalo native had a "date" that night, but she wouldn't tell her on-again, off-again boyfriend with whom."

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    She also didn't know that on the night her daughter disappeared, she had lined up a date to the tune of $1,000."

    ďI think he wines and dines them and brings them back to his house,Ē said a law-enforcement source.

    "Earlier that evening, the blond beauty told her boyfriend that she might be going to Long Island, a frequent haunt of hers. She regularly hung out there with a girlfriend who also worked as an online escort, as well as at the home of a regular client. Her boyfriend said he would oftentimes pick her up from the john's house."She would go to Long Island a lot," said her boyfriend Johnny Terry, who spoke exclusively with The Daily Beast. "She had some older man she was chummy with."

    Terry, who law-enforcement sources say was Barthelemy's pimp, said she was very secretive about her plans that night and declined an offer for a ride. "This time she said no," said Terry, who denies that he was her pimp. "I woke up in the morning and she wasn't there."

    "Interestingly, two of the women had a connection to the same Holiday Inn Express, located just off the Long Island Expressway in Hauppage, New York. According to Costello's roommate Dave Schaller, the pint-size escort received a call from a john who wanted her to meet him at the hotel at 1 a.m. a few weeks before she disappeared in September 2010. And Megan Waterman was staying at the same hotel with her boyfriend when she vanished without a trace three months earlier. Lorraine Ela, Megan's mother, said her daughter had logged onto Craigslist just after midnight on the night she went missing, and that videocameras showed her leaving the hotel at 1:30 a.m."
    (note: That hotel was also being watched by LE and many prostitution busts went down there)

    "The day after Barthelemy vanished, Terry said he called her numerous times on her cellphone but the calls went to voicemail. A few days later, he said he went to the police to report her missing but was told that "they couldn't help me because she wasn't underaged or handicapped." (really?!?)

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    Terry said his efforts soon made him suspect No. 1. "They were watching me and following me," he said of the cops. "I had nothing to do with nothing." He admits that he and Barthelemy broke up regularly, but "no matter what, she always texted me... That's why I got worried when she didn't answer her phone." (interesting)

    "The caller ID indicated the call came from Melissa's cellphone. The man who sounded like an "older white guy" wanted to know if the person on the line was Melissa's little sister. "The whole year I continued to pay for the phone bill," Melissa's mother, Lynn, told The Daily Beast. "It was only turned on when the guy would turn it on, when he made the phone calls. He would only keep it on for three minutes."

    "Detectives and family members combed through her phone records. Lynn discovered that a few calls were made to the escort service James Bond Entertainment. Lynn's fiancť Jeff called the number and spoke to a man who told him that Barthelemy had worked with him on a number of occasions. "He was prickly, like Jeff was bothering him," said Lynn."

    "A few of the numbers belonged to her regular clients, one of whom was a married man who told police that Barthelemy didn't show up for their scheduled date at a motel in Jersey City."He was more worried about his wife finding out than being a suspect in a serial killer case," said the Long Island law-enforcement source. "Her clients were regular Joes. She wasn't working for Heidi Fleiss.""

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    Other numbers were traced to throwaway phones purchased in Manhattan. One of the phones was linked to the name Mickey Mouse. Around the same time, Terry said he began to get his own taunting phone calls. His calls were from a "white guy," he said."


    "He was threatening me," recalled Terry. "He said, you like to do some crazy stuff with Melissa, I know where you be at. Most of the time he seemed to be drunk. He knew who I was. He knew I had tattoos on my back. Maybe he felt [Melissa] was doing something he didn't like." (he called Amanda a "half breed" - she is biracial.)
    Terry said the anonymous caller called him more than 30 times over a period of eight months. He said he reported the calls to the cops. Months later, Terry said, he was approached by the police again, but this time not as a suspect. They wanted to know about the john on Long Island. They asked if he could describe the house and if he could pick it out if he was taken there. He said he could.
    "They already knew about the guy in Long Island," he said. "I said if they come to get me I would go. They didn't come."




















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    Bringing this forward. Reminded me of some key details in JTís case.

    ďhttp://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...unds-1.2865868

    Taylor came from a small town in upstate New York and was estranged from her family. She had been arrested on prostitution charges in Washington, Atlantic City and New York City. In one case, from Feb. 4, 2003, Taylor solicited an undercover officer for $50 to perform a sex act in Long Island City, Queens, records show....
    Taylor was sent to Rikers on Feb. 25, 2003. She was discharged on April 28, 2003. Taylor is next known to have been in Washington, where a prostitute reported her missing in mid-July. She was last seen in Manhattan near the bus terminal on July 18-21, police said.Ē

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    I think this guy may have access to criminal data base I want to know here that house is I still know girls in the industry and people need to keep an eye not saying thatís lisk but in that world everything needs to be taken a certin way. Maybe he can be contacted but I donít think that should be public info not the exact address but maby street. Side note thatís a bit wierd she was in jail that long for that your usely out the next day or so.
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