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    Quote Originally Posted by marie-chantal View Post
    Was Melissa a street walker? I didn't get that impression, but I agree with you that it definitely sounds like Jessica was not a call girl. It doesn't sound like she had been in NYC very long. Have any details ever emerged about where she was staying? It sounds like she knew people there, since someone reported her missing. If she hadn't been there for very long and if she was indeed a street walker, then it sounds to me like there's a possibility that her murder was more of a crime of opportunity (killer saw her-made his move) as opposed to the Gilgo women, whose murderer is reported to have been known to them.

    That picture of Jessica makes me so sad. She just looks so young, sad and lost. She kind of reminds me of Molly Dilts, a victim in the AC murders. It sounds like she really didn't have much of a family life, just like Molly. All of these women are tragic, but there's something especially tragic about Jessica. I can't imagine how miserable her life must have been in the year or so before her murder.
    This goes to victimology which is a part of the whole profile drawn up to use in the investigation.

    Another factor is the method used in the killing and disposal which might set a murder apart from others IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by marie-chantal View Post
    I don't recall reading that, but she kind of looks like a heroin addict in her mug shot. Were any of the other women heroin addicts? IIRC, I think one of the AC victims was a heroin addict (can't remember which one).
    I think ALC had a history of heroin addiction

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    Quote Originally Posted by internetgirl101 View Post


    Thanks internetgirl101!

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    JT would fit the description "street walker", while the Gilgo Beach 4 fit the description "call girl." Two different worlds, two different killers. Regarding Taylor's looks, she reminds me more of Melissa Barthelemy than Maureen Brainard-Barnes.
    but what makes you think he doesn't do a little of both? maybe he started off on the streets, and now he uses the internet.

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    I agree that it is entirely possible,Serial_Katcher.

    Also, I was thinking and cannot quite explain why. But, I think that whomever killed Jessica and left the main part of her body in Manorville and her hands and head 40 miles away by the ocean lived near or in Manorville but felt comfortable in the area that he dumped her hands and head. This is just a hunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serial_Katcher View Post
    but what makes you think he doesn't do a little of both? maybe he started off on the streets, and now he uses the internet.
    Profilers portray this guy as a careful planner, an organized killer. Street walkers are much riskier than call girls. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    Profilers portray this guy as a careful planner, an organized killer. Street walkers are much riskier than call girls. JMO
    The killer may be organized, but often an individual is a combo of organized and disorganized. In addition, even an organized killer can vary his mo if the compulsion to kill comes over him at a time when only an atypical victim is available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serial_Katcher View Post
    but what makes you think he doesn't do a little of both? maybe he started off on the streets, and now he uses the internet.
    Agree. A considerable amount of time passed between Jessica's disappearance and the girls found in burlap. If it was a single SK, he could have refined his methods. He may have had a close call that caused him to back off for a while and plan a different strategy. During this period of time, craigslist became highly popular and throw away phone became more readily available, opening up less risky options. He may have also gotten a promotion or raise which gave him access to higher priced escorts. I realize he didn't pay the girls he killed, but he probably needed to have the $$ in case something went wrong.

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    Or if it is the same killer is it possible that he moved to some other part of the country like Florida for a few years? It is common for some to move back and forth from Florida to LI or back and forth from some other southeastern state. Or maybe the killer was in prison for a few years. Of course it may be that there are two killers and not one. But, I can't rule that out with the information we have just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serial_Katcher View Post
    but what makes you think he doesn't do a little of both? maybe he started off on the streets, and now he uses the internet.
    Exactly, Craigslist and the newer copy cat sites didn't become commonplace until about 2003/04. So prior to the availability of internet access to "dates," he may have used newspaper ads and the random street walker as opposed to taking the risk of going through an escort agency.

    ETA: We have to remember that he, the Burlap killer, enjoys using phones. So, before throw away phones he probably used payphones or even a departmental access phone @ his place of work.


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    Remy's Angels

    Thought I would bring this post over here as well...
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    I just did a search for Remy's Angels and found this site (link). Seems to have a few pitbulls around... and check out the logo...
    bodhi93,

    Great Link! Wow! More "coincidences" in this case. It's enough to drive you crazy!!!

    OK, so Remy's Angel could be linked to a Pit Bull Breeder and JT had that tattoo on her body. Also, there was a guy from West Islip that recently went missing along with his Pit Bull on July 18, 2010.

    Pit Bulls are notoriously popular with drug dealers and I think we have some drug angles in this case. I wonder if we could connect the dots and come up with a suspect.

    Good find, bodhi!

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    The entire tattoo had been a winged heart with ''Remy's angel'' written inside, Lieutenant Fitzpatrick said. He described Remy as ''an acquaintance'' of Ms. Taylor, declining to provide further information. Julia C. Mead
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com


    This article dcgrumpy posted has me thinking that the cops must have cleared this Remy guy back in 2004, which leads me to believe the partial removal of the tattoo served 2 purposed. Make ID of the victim harder and give the police a red herring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAYTOM View Post
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com


    This article dcgrumpy posted has me thinking that the cops must have cleared this Remy guy back in 2004, which leads me to believe the partial removal of the tattoo served 2 purposed. Make ID of the victim harder and give the police a red herring.
    Yep blows my theory out of the water. What other reasons could a killer have to remove tattoos? And why then would the same SK remove tattoos from one victim and not the others?
    Logic tells me if they remove a tattoo to make an ID harder, then the tattoo would tie the killer to the victim. Hmmmm. I need to brain storm over tis for a bit.

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    For me this is shaping up to be two killers, the GB4 serial killer and the Manorville gang murders. Gang involved in prostitution, pit bull fighting, drugs. Killed gang members who weren't performing or whatever. Remy's Angel tattoo removed to prevent id of both victim and killer. This group also probably connected to disappearance of the guy from West Islip who went missing along with his pit bull in July 2010. He may have encountered a gang member in a park where a fight ensued. We need to sleuth Remy's Angels more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAYTOM View Post
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com


    This article dcgrumpy posted has me thinking that the cops must have cleared this Remy guy back in 2004, which leads me to believe the partial removal of the tattoo served 2 purposed. Make ID of the victim harder and give the police a red herring.
    Wonder if LE actually found Remy (as in actually interviewed him or her) or just found out who he/she was. Could he/she be one of the UID victims?
    Last edited by Just K; 05-16-2011 at 08:32 AM.

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