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  1. #61
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    I've always thought that the male found near Jones Beach field area 6 and Manorville found near the LIE were either men hooking up with another man, male prostitutes or underling drug dealers.
    The facts are now buried amongst theory, opinion and rumor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre E View Post
    I believe I'm on the money with this Asian Male.

    EDIT: And a decapitated torso and an intact body in burlap are exactly the same things to my eye, I just don't want to elaborate. I recommend pay heed to Dormer, he's got some insider from Behavioral Analysis folks I understand. You can catch the idea, in clues scattered in his words.

    EDIT 2: I believe LindsayLohan6 pointed out to a fairly accurate direction to ID the Asian Male. IMHO the cops should take out their old records and run through the names they have contacted during the Sugar Bear investigation, starting with the fellow who gave his testimony to have witnessed Bear getting in that fancy car. "Witness" being the key word here.
    Regarding Dormer, this seems to contradict your own theory. Dormer said he believes it's one killer. You've said that you believe it's work of an organized crime ring. So I don't get why you'd be using Dormer to backup your theory. If I'm missing something, then please clarify.

    Also, Dormer surely would have had info from FBI profilers...and so would the other higher-ups working on the case. Yet everyone in LE seems to disagree about the number of killers.

    And don't forget, the FBI profile that was reported in the NYT and other MSM references one serial killer (of the GB4) who is organized and intelligent.
    Fascinated by the psychology of serial killers. Obsessed with the LISK case and other possible Long Island serial killers.

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    Question to Law Enforcement: Why don't you make the clothes of the Asian Male public?

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    Asian Male

    Another of the bodies, also yet to be identified, is believed to be that of an Asian male, Spota said.
    http://archive.longislandpress.com/2...ocean-parkway/

    The skeleton of an adult male, wearing women’s clothing and thought to be Asian in ethnicity,
    http://pix11.com/2014/08/05/the-hunt...beach-murders/

    Question: Is Asian Male Asian?

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    If the Asian was a cross-dresser or a <modsnip>, Spota would have probably known him or met him someplace. These guys remindt me of three well known characters - 1. A very high ranking church official, 2. A very, very, high LE official, 3. A well known crooked lawyer. They all liked to go out on a yacht and play 'dress up'.

    When I was a young detective I often met up with FBI agents. They were usually trying to steal our cases, or sell them out to our targets. The older detectives told me if I ever wanted to get rid of them I should ask them about the boat trips that 1,2,and 3 were rumored to take. It worked every time.....LOL.
    Last edited by bessie; 09-03-2014 at 09:18 PM. Reason: some find that word offensive.

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    About Jane Doe 2000

    Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers

    http://www.doenetwork.org/media/news18.html

    So, here's the logic, somebody is going to recognize a torso as someone s/he knew, s/he will call Crimestoppers and Detective Fitzpatrick is going to ask him/her "Tell me the tattoo Jane Doe 2000 has on her" to verify the tipster.

    Did you hear anything as stupid as this?

    Questions to Law Enforcement, one more time:
    Question 1: Why don't you make the clothes of the Asian Male public?
    Question 2: Is Asian Male Asian?

    A surprise may be on the way.
    Last edited by Emre E; 08-28-2014 at 08:17 AM.

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    Who is the Asian Male?

    Let’s look at what we have about him

    https://identifyus.org/cases/9355
    Asian Male is in the age bracket of 17-23, Height 5.6, slim built, Estimated postmortem interval is 5 Years and wearing women’s clothes. He has poor dental health (i.e. an indicator of he is from a poor family) His DNA is on the database. He is bludgeoned.


    ...and he is Asian, or to be more precise...

    Another of the bodies, also yet to be identified, is believed to be that of an Asian male, Spota said.
    http://archive.longislandpress.com/2...-ocean-parkway

    The skeleton of an adult male, wearing women’s clothing and thought to be Asian in ethnicity,
    http://pix11.com/2014/08/05/the-hunt...-beach-murders


    Question: Is Asian Male Asian?



    Judging by the guarded wording given to the news outlets, it can be said that calling him Asian wasn’t so easy for the forensic anthropologist.

    I posted a method called DNA profiling here before. It means you can get the racial appearance by examining the DNA. It’s a bit expensive and fairly new technology. The classic method is assessing the skeleton (and skull) to estimate the age and race.

    Now, let’s asses the skeleton of the Asian Male.

    In his case, the age estimate is based on the growth plates
    https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=g...ed=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

    These plates disappear as we become adults. Medical Examiner checked the knees, saw the growth plates and judged the skeleton belongs to a late teen.

    The skull was “challenging”, but to create an artist’s impression ME has to give some input. So, they “picked” Asian and we got the famous Asian Male sketch.

    If assessing the skull was actually hard for the ME, then this person may have some mixed bloodlines. That means he may not be Asian or he may not look as Asian as one would expect (!).

    So, we need to find a missing person: He will be a late teen. He will be from a poor family. He will be wearing women’s clothes, he will be 5.6, he will be slim built, he will be missing at least since 2005... just one slight adjustment of the parameters, he may or may NOT be Asian.

    I believe you can spot the same young man I did and once you find him and do a research on the net, you’ll see how much he fits.
    Last edited by Emre E; 10-03-2014 at 08:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre E View Post
    Who is the Asian Male?

    Let’s look at what we have about him

    https://identifyus.org/cases/9355
    Asian Male is in the age bracket of 17-23, Height 5.6, slim built, Estimated postmortem interval is 5 Years and wearing women’s clothes. He has poor dental health (i.e. an indicator of he is from a poor family) His DNA is on the database. He is bludgeoned.


    ...and he is Asian, or to be more precise...

    Another of the bodies, also yet to be identified, is believed to be that of an Asian male, Spota said.
    http://archive.longislandpress.com/2...-ocean-parkway

    The skeleton of an adult male, wearing women’s clothing and thought to be Asian in ethnicity,
    http://pix11.com/2014/08/05/the-hunt...-beach-murders


    Question: Is Asian Male Asian?



    Judging by the guarded wording given to the news outlets, it can be said that calling him Asian wasn’t so easy for the forensic anthropologist.

    I posted a method called DNA profiling here before. It means you can get the racial appearance by examining the DNA. It’s a bit expensive and fairly new technology. The classic method is assessing the skeleton (and skull) to estimate the age and race.

    Now, let’s asses the skeleton of the Asian Male.

    In his case, the age estimate is based on the growth plates
    https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=g...ed=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

    These plates disappear as we become adults. Medical Examiner checked the knees, saw the growth plates and judged the skeleton belongs to a late teen.

    The skull was “challenging”, but to create an artist’s impression ME has to give some input. So, they “picked” Asian and we got the famous Asian Male sketch.

    If assessing the skull was actually hard for the ME, then this person may have some mixed bloodlines. That means he may not be Asian or he may not look as Asian as one would expect (!).

    So, we need to find a missing person: He will be a late teen. He will be from a poor family. He will be wearing women’s clothes, he will be 5.6, he will be slim built, he will be missing at least since 2005... just one slight adjustment of the parameters, he may or may NOT be Asian.

    I believe you can spot the same young man I did and once you find him and do a research on the net, you’ll see how much he fits.
    Why don't you just post who you found ?
    Hi, english is not my first language so please bear with me

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    Emre Theres no mention of DNA on NAMUS for Tirrel. If LE did not have access to his DNA, then they should have taken it from a family member.We keep hearing if DNA is not in the system then it means a missing persons report was not filed. NONSENSE.


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    Emre, The male victim is listed as being Asian. I dont think the ME would say that unless his DNA indicated that. Is Tirrel part Asian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee21 View Post
    Emre, The male victim is listed as being Asian. I dont think the ME would say that unless his DNA indicated that. Is Tirrel part Asian?
    He went missing in 2005 and he was entered in the database in 2011. I understand he is from a very poor family with minimal capabilities to pursue his case.

    They don't attribute race by checking DNA, they use classic forensic anthropology. Normally, there's no need to do otherwise. But I believe a mistake is made in the identification of his skull on Gilgo Beach. Since they need an input to create a sketch for the unided person - that is an artist's rendition - they chose Asian.

    As you can see from his eyes Tirrel doesn't simply look an African American person, he has mixed bloodlines. EDIT ... very thin build, medium complexion...

    I understand Santiago family has ties to Puerto Rico, I tried to figure some of his relatives in East New York, not sure how many Santiagos are actually linked to him but it seems their family may have ties to Philippines as well. But why would you let me convince you, do your own research. You can compare the facial characteristics of the sketch with Tirrel's photos and case facts in the light of Rashawn Brazzel murder.

    I personally know that NYPD is involved, I also posted a letter to Namus with requests to forward the information to both NYPD and SCPD, however I did not receive any feedback since our initial exchange. Though I am quite sure that the Asian Male is Tirrel Santiago (If you read the posts above you'll see why), I am also aware that I may not be right. So, putting Tirrel's DNA on the database wouldn't hurt.

    As you saw, Tirrel Santiago has no DNA sample filed. I don't know if his DNA can be found in his home after almost ten years but according to the news outlets he was reported missing by his family, i.e. he has a family. They can compare his familial DNA with the Asian Male.
    Last edited by Emre E; 10-09-2014 at 08:27 AM.

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    Their noses look similar to me. I hope LE is looking into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleph View Post
    Their noses look similar to me. I hope LE is looking into this.
    Though the nose is mostly cartilage the nose opening on the skull hints about the shape. In addition to circumstantial similarities of the cases, I find the height of his forehead, cheekbones, chin and overall shape of his face similar.

    A higher res picture of him.
    http://www.missingkids.com/photograp...C1180750c1.jpg
    http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/1180750

    Forensic Anthropology: Concept of "Race"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMdqE94CQ9M

    Racial Differences In Skull Shapes
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJH70aDctE

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    Emre, I dont understand why someone from NAMUS or LE has not contacted a family member of Terril for DNA. They know its needed for identification. They are so complacent.

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