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    Investigators have long eyed the basement with curiosity because it can be accessed from the street on the boy's route to school. At the time, the space was being used as a workshop by a neighborhood handyman who was thought to have been friendly with Etan.

    FBI investigators have interviewed the man several times over the years. Investigators questioned him again recently, and as a result of those discussions decided to refocus their attention on the building, according to the law enforcement official.

    The official spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. Two other law enforcement officials also confirmed that an FBI dog had indicated the scent of human remains in the space.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reannan View Post
    One more post before I go to bed and try to forget about this case for a while... does the child in the picture from the SoHo Playgroup in the 1970's IN THE BASEMENT they are currently tearing apart, not look like Etan?? Am I crazy? I honestly welcome your opinions... that is why I am posting the comparison....
    Sure looks like him to me. This one also (5th child from left). So, are these pictures taken in the basement they are now searching? It looks narrow, possibly like the 13' mentioned in MSM, along with the "brick" walls that have been covered with drywall they are tearing down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by karen7868 View Post


    Sure looks like him to me. This one also. So, are these pictures taken in the basement they are now searching? It looks narrow, possibly like the 13' mentioned in MSM.

    soho playgroup possible etan patz.jpg
    It might be the same spot, or maybe the basement was separated into several spaces, but it is the same building.


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    I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Etan was an only child. I tried googling but couldn't find anything one way or the other.
    Etan's parents had 2 other children when Etan went missing on Friday, May 25. 1979. A boy that was older than Etan and a girl, I think 2 years old at that time. The Father of Etan is a photographer. He produced his own son's Missing Posters. The parents for 33 years have stayed in the home they lived in with Etan - keeping the same phone number - Etan knew it by heart.

    Knowing the parents can see and hear this commotion - from their home on the third floor where Etan's Mother watched from the balcony as he walked to the bus stop that day. And the realization he has possibly been so close to home for 33 years. They never moved in hopes Etan would come home. I only hope they cannot hear the jack-hammers. My heart breaks.
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    It feels somehow wrong to say that I "hope" it is a six-year-old child's body that has lain buried in the basement of a building for 33 years, but honestly, I do hope for the sake of his family that Etan has been found.

    How awful if he's been this close to home for all these years.

    (And if there is a body and it turns out to belong to a person who isn't Etan, I am glad that another family's wondering will end soon.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Since we're discussing - and rightly - the lessons learned in the intervening years since Etan disappeared and the unlikelihood of involvement in this crime by those participating in the gallery space, the real taboo still looms: that we have also learned, since 1979, that family involvement is the most likely factor when children disappear.

    I certainly don't think that that was the case here. But it's curious - if understandable - that we've sort of tip-toed around even a general discussion of that topic in the Patz case. If the case occurred today? I think most would first look at the family.
    If I recall correctly from my reading, Etan's father was pretty thoroughly vilified by the investigative team for a period in a "we know you did it" fashion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Since we're discussing - and rightly - the lessons learned in the intervening years since Etan disappeared and the unlikelihood of involvement in this crime by those participating in the gallery space, the real taboo still looms: that we have also learned, since 1979, that family involvement is the most likely factor when children disappear.

    I certainly don't think that that was the case here. But it's curious - if understandable - that we've sort of tip-toed around even a general discussion of that topic in the Patz case. If the case occurred today? I think most would first look at the family.
    At one point tonight, I think I remember reading an article or maybe an excerpt from Lisa Cohen's book that some members of LE did think the Patz were suspicious. I'm not sure what changed the mind of LE, but when I read that they FULLY cooperated with police- I believe Julia even underwent hypnosis to see what else she could remember from that morning. I was also extremely impressed that they never moved, kept the same phone number, and kept a written record of every single phone call they received relating to Etan.

    IMO they behaved how parents with missing children "should" behave- cooperate fully, do what LE asks, be honest, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    Hate to say this but could Ramos and Miller of been 'friends"?
    They both knew Etan?
    I bet they did know each other. For one, we know the Patz family knew this Miller guy, and the babysitter hired to walk Etan to school during the bus strike was dating Ramos. They were both handymen. Odds are they did know each other and sadly both probably were accomplices.

    Sadly I read the babysitter's son was sexually abused by Ramos and grew up a troubled man and committed suicide. Ramos apparently used women to get to their sons. Monster.


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    We have seen cases where the HRD dogs were able to detect the remains after 30 years, even when moved.
    They believe Jean Zapata's body was moved more than once. The first dogs found a scent in 2004, she went missing in 1976.

    http://forthemissing.blogspot.com/20...an-zapata.html

    The 36-year-old Madison woman and mother of three disappeared in 1976, but the case only returned to the spotlight in December 2004.

    December 2004: Cadaver Dogs Search Former Home
    Two cadaver dogs searching the basement of Jean Zapata's former home and indicated hits of human remains. A human hair was taken from the site, police said.

    August 2005: Cadaver Dogs Search Storage Locker
    Two cadaver dogs separately indicated hits of decomposing human remains at a Sun Prairie storage locker that Eugene Zapata had rented.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reannan View Post
    One more post before I go to bed and try to forget about this case for a while... does the child in the picture from the SoHo Playgroup in the 1970's IN THE BASEMENT they are currently tearing apart, not look like Etan?? Am I crazy? I honestly welcome your opinions... that is why I am posting the comparison....
    One of the reasons Ramos was of interest - on his person were photos of young boys. No photo of Etan but all boys in the photos had a similar look to Etan.
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    Daily Mail has an extensive article with older photos of the family + new photos of persons of interest and the current search for Etan.



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    According to several articles, Othniel (Othnie) Miller was escorted today from the site. Apparently he lives in Brooklyn and is 75 yrs. old now. Neighbors have described him as a man of God in at least one article I read. Since they are saying "Man of God" makes me believe he is very involved in church. All the more reason to not want to die with a guilty in conscience if he killed Etan.

    In one article I read Miller was a family friend and when questioned after Etan's disappearance he told LE they could dig up the newly surface concrete floor in the basement but LE would have to pay to replace it and the Patz's also told them not to dig it up since he was a family friend.

    My bet it is him and it is a death bed/last minute confession. I bet Ramos isn't even involved.
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    I will be shocked if its Miller. Ramos was last seen with Etan. The Patz family have been through he...

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    Quote Originally Posted by arielilane View Post
    I will be shocked if its Miller. Ramos was last seen with Etan. The Patz family have been through he...

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    I think you are mistaken. It has never been reported that Ramos and Etan were seen together. Ramos' girlfriend had been hired by Etan's parents to walk him to school during the bus strike, but Ramos was never seen with Etan.

    It's been reported by Etan's parents that Etan had helped Miller the night before he disappeared and Miller paid him a dollar. So there is definately a connection between Miller and Etan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by carole View Post
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    I think you are mistaken. It has never been reported that Ramos and Etan were seen together. Ramos' girlfriend had been hired by Etan's parents to walk him to school during the bus strike, but Ramos was never seen with Etan.

    It's been reported by Etan's parents that Etan had helped Miller the night before he disappeared and Miller paid him a dollar. So there is definately a connection between Miller and Etan.
    I agree. Ramos went by the name "Michael" and from what I have read, the only thing that has physically linked Ramos to Etan was the girlfriend named Sandy, and having pictures of blonde headed boys that only resembled Etan. Ramos was known as the dranpipe man because that is where he lived. I have yet to see anything reported saying Ramos was seen with Etan; however, OM was seen with Etan the night before his disappearance.

    I will not be shocked if OM is the killer.


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