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    Sonar team back at ramp, no sign of Palmgren's vehicle. #missingmom http://twitpic.com/51xp6v

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    Word of caution.
    There have been some comments regarding MP being an alcoholic or substance abuser. We really do not have any direct evidence of that, so lets stay away from that issue,please.
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    Today's search wrapped up. Ham. Co. authorities are working to plan an aerial search for Gail Palmgren's Jeep

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophieness View Post
    I think it shows a significant amt of paranoia on MP's part to have his PI make an 8 hr round trip to AL to strong arm their neighbor into giving up a dvr and maybe a few papers and tell her not to set foot on thier property...
    I thought this guy was supposed to be looking for Gail and here he is intimidating people instead.
    His behavior is borderline despicable. I was trying not to jump to conclusions with this case, but the things I am learning about him are making up my mind for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perico View Post
    His behavior is borderline despicable. I was trying not to jump to conclusions with this case, but the things I am learning about him are making up my mind for me.


    bolded by me.

    I like the way you say that, perico. His behavior is tying the noose around his own neck, all the while he's trying so hard for the opposite effect.

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    Suck Creek is too obvious a place to hide her car. You can hide just about anything smaller than an airplane on Signal Mtn. and it could take years to find, not too mention the area between the town and Dunlap.

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    Is is possible that GP left SM April 30 to meet MP at the base of the mountain? Could that be why she called AD and said to "say little". Maybe she wanted AD to not talk, but to listen to what was said between her and MP. Is there anyone that can say that MP returned to the house in 10 minutes to meet GP there? Do we really know where he was?

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    Well now...

    Thought Fox, did you take that text directly from his letter? Did it really say:

    "who is the private investigator whom I have hired on my behalf."

    At the news conference, didn't he say something about hiring a private investigator and wasn't he trying to indicate that it was on "Gail's behalf" that he had hired them? i.e. to help find her?

    Now we are learning the truth... He has hired a PI on "his behalf." And of course, that is why he wants the DVR. Just what is on that recording? Is there anything that might work against him? Did the DVR record the drive by of his last PI or the person he hired prior to Gail's disappearance to follow her? He wants to know and he wants to know if anything in the Lake house indicated why Gail went home suddenly (but of course he knows why, he just wants to know if she left anything telling why). He isn't interested in Gail missing except to the extent that he can "protect himself."

    Rest assured, Gail's sudden departure from the Lake house was absolutely due to something she learned to take away her peace there. Perhaps Matt called her cell phone the night before (after the argument), or early that AM and said, "When you show up again, there will be nothing left -- count on it." You can bet that he "was not happy" about the 911 call. Gail left in a hurry because she perceived that there was something she "had to do" back in Signal Mountain in order to protect the children or herself from some type of damage by Matt.
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    After this length of time, if Gail left to go to a domestic violence shelter or to stay with a very good friend, she would have at least contacted the police or had an attorney
    contact the police on her behalf.

    She has not, as far as we know.
    I hate to be negative, but I think the worst has happened.
    I don't know how or why, but I don't think she will come back..
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinagirl56 View Post
    Is is possible that GP left SM April 30 to meet MP at the base of the mountain? Could that be why she called AD and said to "say little". Maybe she wanted AD to not talk, but to listen to what was said between her and MP. Is there anyone that can say that MP returned to the house in 10 minutes to meet GP there? Do we really know where he was?
    carolinagirl56, Maybe I am confused, but I thought the "say little" conversation between Gail and AD occurred when Gail was on the way to Alabama with her kids. AD is a neighbor at the Alabama location.

    On April 30 the only telephone conversations I know about were from Gail to her sister, Diane. Please correct me if I am wrong!

    Regardless of phone calls, what you say is possible though---maybe she was meeting MP at the base of the mountain. Certainly possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrinkles View Post
    Well now...

    Thought Fox, did you take that text directly from his letter? Did it really say:

    "who is the private investigator whom I have hired on my behalf."

    At the news conference, didn't he say something about hiring a private investigator and wasn't he trying to indicate that it was on "Gail's behalf" that he had hired them? i.e. to help find her?

    Now we are learning the truth... He has hired a PI on "his behalf." And of course, that is why he wants the DVR. Just what is on that recording? Is there anything that might work against him? Did the DVR record the drive by of his last PI or the person he hired prior to Gail's disappearance to follow her? He wants to know and he wants to know if anything in the Lake house indicated why Gail went home suddenly (but of course he knows why, he just wants to know if she left anything telling why). He isn't interested in Gail missing except to the extent that he can "protect himself."

    Rest assured, Gail's sudden departure from the Lake house was absolutely due to something she learned to take away her peace there. Perhaps Matt called her cell phone the night before (after the argument), or early that AM and said, "When you show up again, there will be nothing left -- count on it." You can bet that he "was not happy" about the 911 call. Gail left in a hurry because she perceived that there was something she "had to do" back in Signal Mountain in order to protect the children or herself from some type of damage by Matt.
    "On My Behalf" can be a term used to indicate that the PI was doing what he was asked to do and not there on his own accord. It isn't necessarily the indicator you presented, just to be fair.

    Also, "Rest assured, Gail's sudden departure from the Lake house was absolutely due to something she learned to take away her peace there."... is this something that is fact or your opinion? Please clarify.

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    I found this video on youtube. It's not directly linked to this specific case, but you can get an idea of the layout of parts of the mtn, and some of the specific locations that have been mentioned here, and the type of terrain that needs to be searched. Pretty spooky stuff...

    http://youtu.be/j8E2Sn9jnWw

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8E2Sn9jnWw&feature=related[/ame]

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    Just wondering and hope that someone can help me, from the many visits by LE, was there ever report of abuse? If so, at what level and by whom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emeralgem View Post
    I really don't know. Mapquest shows it to be about.. 3 hrs 52 mins / 210.68 miles
    The post I made was really in regards to the time difference and what time she would have had to have left the lake house in order to arrive back on Signal Mtn by 12:00 noon..That is WHY I used the word "IF" concerning the 4 hour travel time..

    "Alabama is one hour behind Signal Mtn so IF it is a four hour drive she would have had to have left Alabama around 7:00 am on the 30th in order to arrive home at noon"..JMHO
    I was speculating also, along with Signal Mtn. encompassing Central and Eastern time zones. So locals usually go by one or the other depending on work, or something time sensitive (e.g., catch a plane in Nashville). If GP remained on EST and with her sister on EST it means it was actually 5:30 AM in AL when the call came in/out? But, then she would have left 8AM EST to arrive back on Signal by Noon. Either way, 8 hour drive time for a 24 hour period shows a sense of urgency to return...JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by perico View Post
    Suck Creek is too obvious a place to hide her car. You can hide just about anything smaller than an airplane on Signal Mtn. and it could take years to find, not too mention the area between the town and Dunlap.
    Exactly! They cannot consider Signal Mountain searched, and at this point it may be until Winter if there is something out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happy409 View Post
    I was speculating also, along with Signal Mtn. encompassing Central and Eastern time zones. So locals usually go by one or the other depending on work, or something time sensitive (e.g., catch a plane in Nashville). If GP remained on EST and with her sister on EST it means it was actually 5:30 AM in AL when the call came in/out? But, then she would have left 8AM EST to arrive back on Signal by Noon. Either way, 8 hour drive time for a 24 hour period shows a sense of urgency to return...JMHO
    The urgency to return, along with a pattern of calling LE, seems to contradict with the theory of an abused spouse (her).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeni4smith View Post
    "On My Behalf" can be a term used to indicate that the PI was doing what he was asked to do and not there on his own accord. It isn't necessarily the indicator you presented, just to be fair.

    Also, "Rest assured, Gail's sudden departure from the Lake house was absolutely due to something she learned to take away her peace there."... is this something that is fact or your opinion? Please clarify.
    My curiosity with the PI going to AL is....Is he working with LE in SG on MP's behalf...since he has cooperated fully with LE? Did SG LE know he was going to AL? Did he or MP call LE in AL and tell them about AD having the DVR--with possible evidence of Gail's missing? I'd say probably not since he troubled himself to drive all the way there to deliver a letter. This letter sounds to me more of the same in MP wanting to take care of his "goodies" ....his property---which at that time was still GP's too. Did MP see GP as his property too? Did he think he had gained control of GP after she stopped working.....thought he had the right too? Did he transform into a King George? JMO

    Praying we find you Gail and you'll have many more peaceful days at the lake house with the kids. You can set on banks and reflect in the water many years from now how great it was in seeing your kids grow up there.

    We really don't know at this point how the DVR comes into play. AD stated she picked it for GP and may never have been installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad View Post
    The urgency to return, along with a pattern of calling LE, seems to contradict with the theory of an abused spouse (her).
    Why contradict? Her behavior (changing the pins, hiding the money, passports and documents at her friends) shows clearly that she didn't trust her husband. And maybe she returned home so fast just because of that. Because she didn't trust Matthew and was afraid of the things he could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad View Post
    The urgency to return, along with a pattern of calling LE, seems to contradict with the theory of an abused spouse (her).
    I do not understand. Would you elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perico View Post
    His behavior is borderline despicable. I was trying not to jump to conclusions with this case, but the things I am learning about him are making up my mind for me.


    The recording may hold a piece of it, but GP may have held the rest of it. She knew about the affair, was in the process of the divorce (sending documents to Arlene) so there would be no reason for her to run (for her life) or have something done to her. WHAT IF what the recording proved and GP could testify could affect his career, future life? JMHO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexe View Post
    Why contradict? Her behavior (changing the pins, hiding the money, passports and documents at her friends) shows clearly that she didn't trust her husband. And maybe she returned home so fast just because of that. Because she didn't trust Matthew and was afraid of the things he could do.
    First let me say that as most relationships, I doubt either of them are without fault.

    Now, it appears you are equating mistrust with abuse.

    Consider the evidence.

    Look at her past pattern. In a dispute, LE was called. I don't recall any of those calls to LE resulted in an abuse charge.

    No abuse reported, her leaving to go to AL, her going back to Signal Mountian, her dropping the kids off at the house (presumably alone) and not calling LE indicates that she was not in fear of abuse.

    Those things could indicate an unstable person.

    If she was in fear for her life, I would expect her to secure the children in a safe place and not the items that she did. If she in fear for her life, I would expect her not to return the kids to Signal Mountain. If she was in fear for her life, I would expect her to call LE while in AL.

    Her behaviour seems more bizare than his.

    Her actions and a lack of finding the Jeep, points to a self disappearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happy409 View Post
    Exactly! They cannot consider Signal Mountain searched, and at this point it may be until Winter if there is something out there.
    They covered all the subdivisions and side roads....and prolly some dirt roads and a few trails, but no way could they have covered all the trails on that mountain....never touched getting back into the untrailed spots and wilderness. I'd really like to see all of the outfitter and recreational businesses in the area covered with posters. Wouldn't hurt to post whereever the locals go to get their fishing or hunting licenses also. Have local media ask recreationers to be on the look out. Posters at the forest entries, campsites, etc. Bait and tackle shops...gun shops. Uhhhghh... I could go on.....Ranger stations.....ANYONE that would have a reason to go into the terrain of that mountain. I'm sure there are other activities going on back on that mountain or in it's vicinity. Pot growers, meth labs, maybe even yet stills....I hope LE checks out those areas and they prolly have a good idea of where and who. I know I wouldn't want to come across the owners.

    Is this what happen with the ATV drivers? Why did that guy shoot them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by happy409 View Post
    The recording may hold a piece of it, but GP may have held the rest of it. She knew about the affair, was in the process of the divorce (sending documents to Arlene) so there would be no reason for her to run (for her life) or have something done to her. WHAT IF what the recording proved and GP could testify could affect his career, future life? JMHO!
    Can you provide a link with information related to the affair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad View Post
    The urgency to return, along with a pattern of calling LE, seems to contradict with the theory of an abused spouse (her).
    She dropped the kids off and left. Doesn't sound like she wanted to be there if he came home. He "proposed" to meet her there.....MP never stated if she agreed and I don't think I've heard from the sister that GP told her she was going to that day. If I'm wrong, please someone correct me. Sounds like there may have been fear of abuse.....or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad View Post
    First let me say that as most relationships, I doubt either of them are without fault.

    Now, it appears you are equating mistrust with abuse.

    Consider the evidence.

    Look at her past pattern. In a dispute, LE was called. I don't recall any of those calls to LE resulted in an abuse charge.

    No abuse reported, her leaving to go to AL, her going back to Signal Mountian, her dropping the kids off at the house (presumably alone) and not calling LE indicates that she was not in fear of abuse.

    Those things could indicate an unstable person.

    If she was in fear for her life, I would expect her to secure the children in a safe place and not the items that she did. If she in fear for her life, I would expect her not to return the kids to Signal Mountain. If she was in fear for her life, I would expect her to call LE while in AL.

    Her behaviour seems more bizare than his.

    Her actions and a lack of finding the Jeep, points to a self disappearance.
    Let me quarter back this statement-fwiw I dont know if I believe that this means SHE was not in fear of abuse. I believe it shows she did not believe her CHILDREN would be abused while in his care.

    Multiple calls and lack of "charges" being pressed does not indicate instability exclusively. It indicates a woman who would not press charges against her spouse. I am not familiar enough with Signal Mountain to know how they handle domestic calls...my friend in the Northeast was permitted to take her children out of state while her spouse was held at the house. She declined to press charges as well. Which did not mean that there was no evidence. Her decision was based upon her desire NOT to have her husband dragged out in cuffs in front of her terrified children.

    When she came back, she filed for and received an order of protection.
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